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[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can see where you’re coming from, so I started reading the article. But most of what we need to know is right at the top. It was published less than a month ago, and the job fair described was also in June of 2025.

I really don’t expect the people applying for ICE jobs right now have a large percentage of sympathetic characters among them. I would expect there to be some, of course, but not finding any in a random sample doesn’t feel very noteworthy to me.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh, I've little doubt of that myself. I acknowledged the majority of them were into it in my very first comment, and they're definitely mostly assholes. Although I try to remember there's reasons they became that way, I still am not foolish enough to think they're easily redeemable. However, I would be quite surprised if there weren't some not insignificant percentage of their staff who are just in it for the easy job that pays reasonably well because they have few other options to survive. There's always outliers in any grouping - always.

That's all I wanted to point out - the fact there are still humans behind those masks with a wide variety of backgrounds. This is something that people too easily drop as a factor when making judgements about others. The fact you personally don't find that "newsworthy" doesn't mean others don't need to be reminded of that fact. Just look at all the vitriol based upon exceedingly large and false assumptions about who I am that I've received here alone.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I just want to reply that this

Although I try to remember there's reasons they became that way, I still am not foolish enough to think they're easily redeemable.

and this

That's all I wanted to point out - the fact there are still humans behind those masks with a wide variety of backgrounds. This is something that people too easily drop as a factor when making judgements about others.

both hit home for me. I was born into the white religious conservative world. And when I was younger, more naive, and of course much angrier, some of the hollow rhetoric on the right seemed to make sense.

So when looking at some of these awful people out there, it can be a very “there but for the grace of god go I” situation for me. And their humanity deserves that benefit of the doubt.

However, the very unfortunate reality is that every villain has a sad story. I mean, imagine being raised by a monster like Frederick Christ Trump Sr.

So yeah I try to remember that my ignorant conservative relatives didn’t exactly get shown all the truths in the universe and still chose bigotry over community. They have a warped view of the world for various reasons.

But on the other side of that coin, the sad ubiquity of heartbreaking stories can’t keep people from fighting back when appropriate.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 1 points 20 hours ago

It's that "when appropriate" which is key, along with "in an appropriate manner." I absolutely support resisting these thugs (& this "administration" in general), but I fear in the heat of anger it's all too easy to dehumanize them, which makes our side no better than theirs. Often they even deliberately try to provoke such a response so they are "legally justified" in going over the top in "defending themselves." It's a tedious & difficult game to come out ahead on. I feel it helps one restrain emotions and keep from reacting to their provocations if one always tries to keep in mind that their opponent is just as human as we are. Be resolute in resistance, but not violent unless you have absolutely no other choice.