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I mean obviously the gun laws are insane but the act of collectively beating the shit out of pickpockets has my respect.
Violent retribution as a core principle might contribute to your completely insane murder rates.
Man, people should have a right to defend their shit. The idea that someone should be allowed to take your things in front of you and you should be charged if you beat them up is pretty unhinged tbh
I fully disagree and enjoy living in a society free of such barbaric tendencies.
Make your people happy and maybe they'll stop stealing your shit.
There are people who steal no matter how wealthy or comfortable they are. Theft is not stopped by making people happy. Reduced significantly, yes. But absolutely not stopped. Wage theft is the largest form of theft in the world, done exclusively by the better off and rich. Never forget that
(And yes, I'm saying that people should have the right to beat up their employers to get back their stolen money)
Not sure whether to downvote because of the shitty human nature argument, or upvote because you’re right about wage theft.
Also not really a thing here, and that's fucking insane
It is a thing there, in fact.
Not nearly at the same scale. Unions actually work and the legal system isn't designed to benefit the rich.
Welfare is a thing!
Where do you live? I want your shit
Not rhetorical, I personally want your shit
I bet you would, but assuming you're American, you'll never get anywhere close to it
Where is that? Turkmenistan? Russia? Bhutan?
It's Denmark. Let's compare literally any statistic and see how your third world country fares
Americans can travel to Denmark visa free, watch out, BigPee is coming to steal your shit.
Man, it's just shit. Life should be of higher value than an object, even if it's a really cool object or useful. You beating someone for taking something is a bigger problem then things being taken. You can't commit a crime because someone else also committed a crime first. Get it?
Quite simply, that should be the thief's decision to make. It's their risk to undertake, it was their decision to make that choice to rob and steal.
Legality is not morality.
What's really lost in this whole conversation is how its... 2025 and almost nobody walks around with cash anymore?
You can literally call your bank and credit card companies and have all your cards cancelled and locked within minutes? Any money spent by the thief will be returned to your accounts?
If it's your phone stolen instead of your wallet... You didn't have it set to be locked or auto-lock when theft is detected? You didn't have find your device set up? You don't have it set to be able to be remotely wiped? Pretty sure you can also get your phone insured for theft.
One of the few valuable things Tyler Durden said in Fight Club was "You are not the contents of your wallet. You are not the car you drive. You are not your fucking khakis." Yet Americans still love to extend the concept of who they are to the things they own.
People are fucking unhinged, man.
No individual should be expected to use insurance to protect themselves from theft as a solution to it. That's a crazy take.
That's literally why insurance exists and is a foundational principle in most modern societies, but uhm, go ahead and keep living in the stone age.
Insurance exists to allow thieves to get off with your stuff with no recourse? Ignoring anything that could be unrecoverable ~ and that insurance is overpriced for it.
Gosh I guess that means we should get rid of insurance for things like natural disasters, too, since often your home is unrecoverable in the event of a hurricane, volcano, or some other event with no recourse.
Lmao
At no point did I argue insurance shouldn't exist. I said they shouldn't be expected to use it as such
Yet insurance for theft exists because it continues to be a thing that happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Are you intentionally ignoring what I'm trying to say?
It feels like it's the other way around, from my end. Natural disasters don't stop happening, and crime doesn't stop happening, ergo, having insurance for both is reasonable.
I never said it wasn't. So you misunderstood. Having insurance is reasonable.
Then I really don't understand what you're saying here. Insurance coupled with wiping your device remotely makes you whole and renders your device unusable to the person who stole it (sometimes it even leaves you with a nicer, more current device). It's not like the police do much more to help an individual with theft, even when you can show them where your device is with Find My Device enabled. Sometimes you might get lucky and they'll go retrieve it and allow you to press charges, but that's pretty rare, frankly.
I still maintain this a better solution than trying to beat the shit out of someone, possibly failing and ending up hospitalized or dead yourself.
I believe it's a reasonable thing morally to do. Maybe not smart. Not going to argue it's the best idea. But, reasonable moral thing to do.
There's games with offline accounts, pictures that don't sync properly -- age of a phone is not the only thing that matters.
I don't think insurance is a bad idea to have, I think the standpoint that insurance should be the only recourse is what's bad
Yes, police will do nothing.
We frankly are just going to continue to disagree on that point. Say you punch the assailant and they go down in one blow, cracking their head on the pavement and dying. Did they really deserve a death penalty for petty theft? An extrajudicial death penalty no less. I don't think so. Thus, I don't think it's reasonably moral to risk it.
The difference could lie in the viewpoint that I believe it is their fault in that case. Deserve? No, absolutely not, but I would see it as suicide, rather than an extra judicial punishment. Like falling off a cliff when rock climbing, it's a risk they took when stealing.
The difference is the rock climbing involves an inanimate object, the rock face. You are a thinking being that can make decisions and are choosing to risk their life over a petty crime.
Insurance is to spread out risk over time to prevent ruinous losses. So every time you make a claim, your rates will go up.
What about a pickpocket that stole a stupid iPhone from a rich teen who would get a new one the very next day? And, in some less frequent cases, the pickpocket may have had actual needs like buying medicine..
That's the reason we have a judicial system. Not even police are supposed to do harm, only prevent harm and bring into justice system.
I know the system has many flaws. That's beyond the point. Those who prefer to go vigilante are calling for making it worse. Specially if we take into account the effects of inequality on a hands-on self-service judicial approach...
Likewise, a pickpocketing victim may also need to buy medicine.
Fair point. Thanks for providing it with assertiveness.
Are you actually defending thieves?
Why can’t the pickpocket go get a job and buy his own damn iPhone. My stuff is mine, you try to take it and I’ll hit you. This is like basic human behavior.
But the judicial system famously doesn’t differentiate between people doing what they need to for good reasons and those doing it for bad reasons…
Wouldn't that be factoring in motive and mitigating circumstances during sentencing?
How's the pickpocket to know the person in question's situation? That's one of the top justifications scammers in india use as to why they pretend what they do is reasonable. But reality is they don't know, and they don't care. They'll steal from anyone.
Fuck Em.
That isn't beyond the point. That is the point.
Also you can make up sob stories about those people all day if you want to. Got nothing to do with reality but if you like to feel sad for them knock yourself out.