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Well, that's exactly the case. People have speedometers in their cars and speed limits are posted in visible places. If someone is incapable of seeing the speed limit or the speedometer or someone is incapable of comparing one to the other, then they are not fit enough to drive.
In my area they are extensively using a system called "section control", where cameras take a picture of your license place when you enter and exit a certain section, and from the time it took you to get from A to B they calculate your average speed. That way speeders are caught at a rate of almost 100%. And suddenly everyone manages to drive at a fair margin below the speed limit.
Because it's a concious decision to break the law and drive too fast. And if people choose to do so, they should expect to be fined and shouldn't expect compassion.
And for that exact reason it is fucking stupid.
No, it isn't. You can claim that it is all you want but it just makes you look like a judgmental simpleton who only cares about subjective bullshit to avoid critically thinking about the systems we live under or and failing to make allowances for the fact that humans are not perfect beings who unconsciously make mistakes, regardless of our intentions. Speeding occurs predominantly due to a simple mistake from people needing to pay attention to a myriad of information while driving, and the speedometer slipped their attention and their foot relaxed a little. It happens to literally everyone. You are no different; if you try to say that you are, you're a fucking liar.
No shit people who are blind and suffer from certain limiting disabilities shouldn't be behind the wheel but that is why we have licensing exams. It has nothing to do with a discussion on speed limits and how to enforce them, twit.
Then you admit you willingly forsake your humanity and discard compassion for blind obedience to an unjust system. I have little to no respect for you and those like you who blindly and uncritically support a system which disproportionately harms those who are already struggling the most.
Nobody forces you to speed.
I have never gotten a single speeding ticket in the last 17 years since I have a license.
Not one.
Speeding is a choice. If you can't stay below the speed limit, you are too incompetent to drive and a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road.
It is not injust to stop you from endangering other people with your gross incompetence.
Edit: Let's put this differently: Are you seriously argueing that you are incapable of controlling the speed of your car and I should feel sorry for you for that reason?
Never said anyone did.
Speeding isn't simply a choice. That's your biased, uninformed assumption of a stranger's moral character when you have no actual idea what happened in the moment.
Just because you never got a ticket doesn't mean you never caught yourself speeding absent mindedly, for an unknown length of time that the speedometer slipped your attention, for any number of perfectly valid reasons, before catching yourself and slowing back down. For that time period you were, technically, speeding. Lucky you that those times you made that mistake it didn't also occur as you passed a pig in a speed trap and you lose your license after a series of unfortunate events and mistakes.
No, absolutely not. My argument has nothing to do with a judgment of the individual or their capabilities or something as petty as "feeling sorry". It is that I know they are human, and humans make fucking mistakes. Plain and simple. So no matter how much you try to dictate their actions, even by threat of penalty, you will never have 100% compliance because of this. People will slip up, and the current system of blaming the individual and penalizing them for it without there being any actual victims is IMO ass backwards and the least effective method of prevention. I'm saying instead of blaming the individual, blame the conditions of the road that makes it possible for people to comfortably speed on. Traffic calming is a fucking thing. If a road has an issue of people driving faster than those living or working there are comfortable with, lobby the fucking city to upgrade the road infrastructure. We, collectively, are perfectly capable of improving the material conditions we fucking live in instead of trying to coerce people into specific behavioral patterns by force.
You are not a victim if you "absentmindedly speed", same as you are not a victim if you "absentmindedly drift into opposing traffic" or "absentmindedly drive up the highway in the wrong direction".
Driving absentmindedly means you are not paying attention while operating a multi-ton vehicle which moves with a murderous amount of speed. That is not normal and no, you are not a victim for doing so, no matter how sad and poor you feel about the fact that you are not fit to drive.
Stop feeling like a victim from driving dangerously. If you are not capable to focus on operating your vehicle you are not fit to drive. You are a danger to yourself and others and you should not drive.
And no, not being in control of the speed of your vehicle is not normal and it is not ok.
And you will not get pitty points if the "evil system" punishes you poor little bunny for endangering others because watching your speed is too much to handle for you.
There's nothing immoral about you being incapable of driving. There's something incredibly immoral about you choosing to get behind the wheel regardless.
Be a simple minded fool and only think on the surface level. Whatever. I'm done trying to talk to someone who clearly doesn't want to think about what is being said.
There is nothing deep about the fact that people who are too incompetent to drive safely should not be driving.
Keep telling yourself that. You can't even argue against what I'm actually talking about so you just keep hammering on about a simple minded, subjective moralist position.
Nothing about my argument has anything to do with an individual's competency at driving safely.
Your argument is that you think that everyone is as incompetent as you are and that it's entirely impossible to be in control of your car.
Stop. Driving. You. Mennace.