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[–] Losingfaithinmyself@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Do me a favor pal: show me proof that it was leftists who didn't vote this time. In fact, show me proof that the people who didn't vote were against harm reduction. Show me any proof any evidence from ANYWHERE that the people who refused to vote... were refusing to vote? Show me any evidence that says that says anything with any certainty about ANYONE who did not vote?

Oh, you can't? Well that makes sense, because we don't actually KNOW who left the electorial arean. We don't know WHY they left the electorial arena, and we don't know WHAT they were thinking. So, I'd love to know why everyone seems so certain that it was the left who stopped voting entirely as opposed to the non-MAGA right or even the liberal center. And the reseaon everyone is CERTAIN it's the left if because that's been the reused talking point that's been dragged out every time there's been a lull in the insanity since Jan 20th. Almost like somebody doesn't want the subject to die. Almost like someone profits off of the left and the center fighting each other instead of fighting the 1%.

People who stopped voting entirely may be facism enablers, I'm not disagreeing. But, there's no actual, solid evidence to blame that shit on any one group in particular. And even despite that, it's absolutely INSANE that we're hyper focused on the imagined people we THINK didn't vote for the reasons we think they didn't vote, and yet IGNORE the people we KNOW voted for this and IGNORE the reasons they're telling us they voted for this.

Like tf? Thinking billionaires have been and are continuing to demonize any actual progressive candidate and are propagandizing broad swaths of the electoral is an inane conspircay theory when it's something we have seen evidence of time and time and time again, and in the same breath saying that people who voted for trump are lying about why they voted for trump based on 'just trust me bro' is absolutely ludicrous.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Do me a favor pal: show me proof that it was leftists who didn’t vote this time. In fact, show me proof that the people who didn’t vote were against harm reduction. Show me any proof any evidence from ANYWHERE that the people who refused to vote… were refusing to vote? Show me any evidence that says that says anything with any certainty about ANYONE who did not vote?

Oh, you can’t? Well that makes sense, because we don’t actually KNOW who left the electorial arean. We don’t know WHY they left the electorial arena, and we don’t know WHAT they were thinking.

Wouldn't it be fascinating if there was an entire field of study dedicated to questions just like that? Unfortunately, no such thing exists, so we all get to rely on our gut feelings and whatever information passed around the circlejerk that makes us feel self-satisfied about our preconceptions

If there's one thing that Lemmy has taught me, it's that people on the left aren't any smarter than those on the right. Just less vile.

[–] Losingfaithinmyself@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago)

"Next, think back to your decision not to vote in 2024. You will see issues that some say may have impacted their decision whether or not to vote. For each of those, please say how you feel about that issue." And in every category, the data YOU provided shows that most people who didn't vote WEREN'T GOING TO VOTE ANYWAY.

"This issue was important to me, and candidates positions on this issue swayed me not to vote." Gaza - 20% with 80% not being swayed or not caring about the issue that much.

Abortion Access - 22% with 78% not swayed/caring

Jobs - 14% with 86% not swayed/caring

Inflation - 25% with 75% not swayed/caring

Democracy and voting access - 15% with 85% not swayed/caring

Immigration - 21% with 79% not swayed/caring.

Climate change - 22% with 78% not swayed/caring

the issue which swayed most people NOT to vote wasn't a lefty issue like gaza, climate change, or abortion access, it was IMMIGRATION, which is an issue literally everyone on the political spectrum cares about in some way shape or form. Furthermore, YOUR study that YOU linked is pretty clear that most people didn't stop voting because they didn't like the issues, it was because they don't trust EITHER party to run the government.

"Neither party is trustworthy on this issue"

Economy - 38% compared to 31% for Dems and 18% for Repubs

Housing - 45% compared to 37% D and 8%R

Russia/Ukraine - 36% compared to 31D and 18R

Gaza - 49% compared to 18D and 16 R

Immigration 38% compared to 24D and 28R

Income inequality - 43% compared to 40D and 6R

Foreign threats - 38% compared to 25D and 21 R

In fact, the only times ANYONE is seen as more trustworthy than not on ANY issue is Climate Change and Healthcare.