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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The Democrats aren’t the ice cream party. They are the “drive off the cliff slowly party” and spent most of their efforts on attacking people who didn’t want to drive off the cliff at all. Driving off the cliff is what both the Republicans and Democrats stand for and it is only “harm reduction” in the framework that people have to accept that the oligarchy will harm them and gives them the illusion of choice how they want to be harmed, rather than a democratic choice between being harmed and not being harmed.

The point of the term 'harm reduction' is that it is acknowledging that participation in bourgeois democracy is buying time rather than fundamentally reforming the system, I can't believe how many fucking times and in how many fucking ways I have to explain this to a community that is purportedly leftist.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 21 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

So what do you do with that time? Hillary was buying time, Biden was buying time, Biden/Harris was buying time...

Instead what happened in these times was things to get worse, the "buying time" party bragging about its exploits in mass deportations, wall building and bombing abroad and ferociously fighting anyone that wanted to bring improvements. Even now we see the exact same thing with Mamdani. The DNC has "learned" absolutely nothing, because everything is going according to plan. Mamdani is threatening the plan. Tump is not.

When people decided to prevent ICE gestapo abducting people in their communities in California, Democratic mayors had the police crack down on them.

Your strategy is all messed up and it didn't lead you anywhere. With another four years of far right DNC politics as "harm reduction" you would have only fostered liberal complacency and ignorance and on top of it created the economic conditions for the next iteration of Fascism to hit back even harder. There is no fighting with the US political establishment. There is only fighting against it, if you ever want to see the US become a reasonably okay country.

[–] ExploitedAmerican@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

This guy gets it, if the opposition party cares more about maintaining their legal bribes than punishing those doing the bribing and accepting the bribes then they bear an equal responsibility to the destination that those in the car are driven to.

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 2 points 5 hours ago

It sounds like the problem is you don't have enough allies in the fight against either, and your strategy is to bank on getting more allies in a fight against fascists than you would against democrats.

Good luck with that, sincerely; but I think it sounds like a bit of a gamble. Fascists are quite good at terrorising moderates into compliance and killing or imprisoning their opponents.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 5 hours ago

Well said. I tried to make this point elsewhere in the thread and got showered with downvoted, so it's nice to see there's still some sanity left in the world.