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Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this year.

The country was not building a nuclear weapon, the national intelligence director told lawmakers, and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels.

But Donald Trump dismissed the assessment of U.S. spy agencies during an overnight flight back to Washington as he cut short his trip to the Group of Seven summit to focus on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.

“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

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[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are we now choosing to believe what Tulsi says because it fits the narrative?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The alternative is believing Israel's government...

And they're an openly genocidal far right government made up of violent religious extremists...

Like, America is bad right now

But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever

Saying Iran isn't building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago

You don’t have to believe either one.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

Saying Iran isn't building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office

What kind of pushback did they get from Obama?

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This alternative is to believe the assessment that nuclear regulators made that they were stockpiling 60% enriched uranium and installing new centrifuges that could further enrich to weapons grade even faster. AFAIK there is no other plausible explanation for doing this, nuclear reactors only need 5% enrichment or so:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-iran-have-been-close-to-making-a-nuclear-weapon-uranium-enrichment/

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf

It's also not a great look Iran immediately talks about testing a nuke a day after the attack. Despite that obviously being a lie, it at least makes it clear they don't seem to be trying very hard to hide it.

I'm sure Netanyahu has all kinds of nefarious reasons for doing this and with this timing, but this pretense at least seems pretty solid unlike Gaza and I'm sure there is genuine concern throughout their citizenry over how Iran would use them against them.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be frank, if I was them, I would do everything to get a nuke before the crazies in Israel and the USA decide to wipe out Iran. So Iran trying to get it makes perfect sense.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm sure they see it that way as well. And so here we are.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So what? Just because she pushed back she’s now trustworthy? For fucks sake, screw your head on straight.

Also why are you even intent on defending Iran, an openly genocidal far right government made up of religious extremists? There’s no good guys in this fight.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Iran is authoritarian and brutal but this is the first I'm hearing of genocidal.

Got any examples I can look up?

They certainly call for genocide pretty often.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They sent paramilitaries to Syria to engage in sectarian genocide.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don't have to trust her.

But if she says the sun will come up tomorrow, it doesn't mean we need to plan to live the rest of our days in fucking darkness man...

Like. You understand that right? Someone can be a habitual liar, but that doesn't mean the opposite of everything they say is true.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I understand that, but it seems habitual liars are not lying only when it fits the narrative.

There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke. They are not the good guys, so excuse me for being unconcerned about their literal dictatorship getting blown to hell.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke.

By all means share it with the class...

Because Israel's government isn't. And neither is any other government.

So I'm sure lots of people would absolutely love to see your proof

Otherwise, it's more likely Israel is lying because they've been saying Iran is a few years away from having nukes for literal decades. It means as much as Elmo saying Tesla will have auto omous driving in a few years

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone else did it, see above.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Christ's sake...

This is the fediverse, you can't assume everyone sees the same comments when everyone's on different instances. And that's not even getting into how people block other accounts.

This is like pulling fucking teeth. So speaking of block lists...

To be fair I didn’t know that. I thought within a given thread everyone could see everything.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago

If Trump doesn't believe her, then even from his demented perspective she shouldn't have the job. So which is it Donald? Does she ah, merit her position of authority and influence, or does she not?