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    [–] superkret@feddit.org 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Gnome devs have a clear vision of what Gnome is supposed to be:
    simplistic, designed for touchpad and keyboard, not mousy-clicky, and staying out of your way.

    People install it, miss stuff they are used to from traditional desktops like Windows or Plasma, and bolt that back on using extensions from third parties.
    They install those extensions from a different source than Gnome itself (Gnome from their distro repos, extensions from the website).

    And then they complain when those third party add-ons from a different source aren't perfectly integrated or in sync after an update.

    And blame the Gnome devs.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Gnome devs have a clear vision of what Gnome is supposed to be: simplistic, designed for touchpad and keyboard, not mousy-clicky, and staying out of your way.

    Nobody questioned this.

    People install it, miss stuff they are used to from traditional desktops like Windows or Plasma, and bolt that back on using extensions from third parties.

    Like the Extension feature intends it.

    They install those extensions from a different source than Gnome itself (Gnome from their distro repos, extensions from the website).

    Even those you can install from some distro repos can cause your whole Gnome DE to crash. However this isn't even the main problem; the point is that it's able to crash your DE at all. If they did it correctly only the bad extension would crash. If that doesn't work for some reason, the whole extension layer/API may crashes without taking the DE with it. If something phenomenally bad happens your DE should crash but, as the absolute minimum, your open applications should still keep working so you can save things and restart things gracefully. What you just did is blame the extension devs again.

    And then they complain when those third party add-ons from a different source aren’t perfectly integrated or in sync after an update.

    It's about your computer (well, everything graphically) crashing, not some small problems. Get your facts straight.

    [–] coffeeismydrug@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    i cant think of any valid reason gnome doesnt have official system tray icons

    [–] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Gnome's official stance on that matter:
    https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2017/08/31/status-icons-and-gnome/

    tl/dr:
    They're an old spec from 2002
    They're too small to click for people with increased accessibility needs
    They serve the needs of app publishers (making their app visible at all times), not those of the user
    -> There are too many of them
    -> They look bad

    [–] coffeeismydrug@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    thank you for this it is interesting to know their rationale. but i still disagree with it, i think it makes life using the computer more comfortable, it is a good way of managing apps that usually operate unattended and everyone is used to it and expects or relies on this functionality.

    [–] superkret@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    everyone is used to it

    Counterpoint: The main criticism of Gnome seems to be that it doesn't match the design philosophy of Windows 95, which users are used to.
    But at this point, an entire human generation later, and 14 years after the release of Gnome 3, I don't think that's a valid criticism anymore.

    [–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Ok but how do programs under Gnome display state? (temperature and stuff like that)

    [–] superkret@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

    They don't.
    Programs only show themselves when you take an action (hit a key) or when it's urgent (in a notification).
    Otherwise they're supposed to stay invisible.

    So in Gnome philosophy, your sensor would notify you when the temp goes critical and otherwise you'd have to open it manually.

    I don't blame GNOME devs, I blame the straight up lies from GNOME enthusiasts that GNOME is customizable, because it is not.

    [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Conclusion: the clear vision that Gnome devs have is obviously wrong.

    [–] superkret@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

    It's a non-profit, open source project.
    If you don't like it, just ignore it.
    It's not a commercial project where market share is important.

    The only defense of Gnome: It's not mandatory.

    Except they also do GTK, which still manages to leak outside their 9 foot thick steel and concrete containment vessel.

    [–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    I think their vision is solid. I just think there are gaps in following their vision. Wheres the "create new empty file"? Where's the "open folder in terminal"? Why do I need to install bunch of bloatware to change more than 2 options?

    Gnome is about deliberate lack of features. Blank windows with the few existing UI elements crammed into the top bar and a hamburger menu with nothing in it because Gnome and its associated software are not intended to be used for anything.