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Are you saying that the alleged word of his wife (which I have only heard of indirectly, and never from a reputable source) is enough to suspend due process?
EDIT: Sounds like his wife also thinks this is bullshit. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5255035-abrego-garcias-wife-statement-domestic-violence-protective-order/
Stop spreading misinformation.
That isn't what her protective order said. You are the one spreading misinformation. Where I am from we could call that a wife beater.
https://archive.ph/A95CO
According to court filings, Garcia’s wife sought a domestic violence restraining order against him, claiming he punched, scratched, and ripped off her shirt, among other harm.
Stop vascillating. Answer my original questions directly. What about this case demands the suspension of due process. If what you say is true (which I am incredibly dubious of), why wouldn't you just prove this in a court of law rather than immediately jump to.an extra judicial deportation?
If it can happen to this guy, it can happen to you.
He already had a deputation order. He just couldn’t be deported to El Salvador. I’ve never suggested he shouldn’t be removed from El Salvador.
We need to send him an another country or bring him back and put him in prison here.
And no, it can’t happen to me. I’m not a gang banger, I’m but an illegal alien. I’m a veteran who was born in this country and do not commit crimes. For some reason democrats love to commit crimes.
I have never beat my partner. I have never even yelled at her.
Without due process, what is stopping authorities from lying about any of that and carting you off to El Salvador? You assume this can't happen to you, and yet, you have zero actual proof of these alleged crimes. The man's wife literally issued a statement contradicting your position.
I recommend you visit the Holocaust museum in DC and really pay attention to how this sort of rhetoric played out in Germany. If every last person doesn't have the same rights, then those rights by definition do not exist. If he's a criminal, he can and should be convicted by a jury of his peers. You keep repeating that he is a criminal but you have not addressed the central question of why this person doesn't have the same right to a trial any other individual would.
Let's flip the script and see if it makes sense to you. Let's say a Democratic president made the same claims about you. Your wife objects, but is ignored. You claim you have a legal right to be in this country, are a citizen even, but the president just lies and you are deported by their minions anyway.
Do you see why that wouldn't be acceptable?
It couldn’t happen to me. I am not an illegal gang banger who beats my wife.
Don’t compare deporting illegal criminal immigrants to the holocaust. Jews were not criminals. Keep your anti-Semitic views to yourself.
Once again I am a citizen. Where has a legal citizen been deported ?
How do you know this person is an illegal gang banger? What assurances do you have that that statement is actually true?
Also, I don't think you understand the point of my comparison. They didn't start putting Jews in concentration camps - it started with rhetoric like what you are parroting, desperately justifying, without evidence or due process, that some people didn't deserve their rights. That is the foothold authoritarianism needs to erode and eventually destroy the rights of everyone.
The Jews in Nazi Germany were stripped of their rights of citizenship and forced to emigrate. And it started with flimsy justifications like we are seeing with this Garcia person. Did he commit some crime that merits deportation? Maybe. Personally, I'm incredibly skeptical of anything this administration claims. Either way, how can we say for sure without a trial? Without evidence that can be verified without the game of telephone that is the incredibly biased media? You keep repeating these claims as though they are facts, but do you actually have any direct evidence?
The government has stated he is a gang member. That’s enough evidence for me.
The Crux of the issue is he wasn’t here legally. The reason he couldn’t be deported to El Salvador is because of his gang affiliations.
So if he isn’t a gang member then there is no reason to not to deport him to El Salvador.
If he is a gang member, we should detain him in ordain here in America.
If the government stated you were a gang member, would that be enough evidence for you? If so, I don't know what to tell you. If not, do you need assistance pointing out the flaw in your logic?
I can't tell if you're seriously arguing or if this entire thread is in bad faith, but my general policy is to approach online arguments as though the other party is being sincere. If not for you, then for anyone else who might be spectating.
I'd recommend this book to help you expand your ability to think more critically. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality_(book)
The government isn’t going to say I’m a gang member. lol. That’s a silly premise as you can’t show it happening to a legal citizens.
That’s where your argument falls flat. It’s a made up hypothetical that hasn’t and won’t happen.
Critical thinking isn’t making up a fake scenario and then pretending it’s real. That’s delusional thought.