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[–] Aux@feddit.uk -3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Marx literally calls for a genocide in his manifesto. It might not be political in your view, but communism is inherently a genocide.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Aux@feddit.uk -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can read the full manifesto here https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf But let's go through it step by step.

  1. Marx divides all people into classes and then declares that people in a specific class are better than people in other classes. This is covered in his first part called "Bourgeois and Proletarians". Direct quote:

the proletariat is its special and essential product

  1. The second part establishes that there are even better representatives of "good people" called "Communists". This whole section is dedicated to dehumanising everyone else and showing that Communists are the superior people to everyone else.

  2. He then openly calls for violence multiple times finishing with:

their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.

You can replace "Communists" with "Arians" and "Bourgeoisie" with "Jews" and you'll get Hitler's manifest. Same shit.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Even if this is true (it is not, 1 and 2 are just wrong), it does not show him calling for a genocide.

And your last line is incredibly stupid, "but what if he had written jews", see just like Hitler. "But what if water was fire", "but what if up was down".
He didn't. Bourgeoisie != Jew. If you replaced all instances of "Bourgeoisie" with "Jew" it would not make sense, as Marx is talking about classes, and their relation to the MOP not jews and arians or whatever.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you American? You're the third person that has had a very hard time reading, I have heard the american education system is really subpar.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No. As I stated before, I'm from the USSR and I know first hand what communism really is. So stop spreading this delusional bull shit, please.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not spreading any delusional bullshit. Please re-read the Communist Manifesto, you have completely misunderstood it.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -2 points 8 months ago

I haven't, you did.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even on the slim chance you're telling the truth about being from the USSR, the fact that you have a comically poor understanding of Marxism, and the insistance that fascism can be meaningfully separated from Capitalism without any backing, ultimately undermines everything you have to say. Regardless of your personal anecdotes, your understanding of political theory is comically horrible, and you have never for one second made an argument beyond "because I said so."

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're ignorant and delusional.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

When you don't have any facts or data, you jump to insults.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Aux@feddit.uk -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, he did not. I've read it 5-6 times over the years, not once did he call for genocide. You can show what you think is a call for genocide, and I'll explain why that's not the case at all.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I posted a comment below. It's clear as day. Anyone arguing is delusional.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Was the French Revolution a "genocide" against the Monarchy? Further, revolution doesn't necessitate killing every member of the bourgeoisie. Further still, you are likening relations to Capital to immutable characteristics like ethnicity.

You're deeply unserious.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not the one pretending business owners are an ethnicity, nor am I the one pretending Marx said to commit genocide on business owners. Marx calls for revolution, not genocide, it's very silly to adopt your position.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It is delusional to support genocide and find reasons why your version of genocide is not genocide.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

The French Revolution was not a genocide against the Monarchy. You don't know what revolution, class, or genocide are.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Marx literally calls for a genocide in his manifesto.

Others have asked for sources. I know it's not true. If Marx called for genocide, centrists would love him.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"He didn't like existing systems of oppression. Therefore literally hitler." is a shit reply.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just like Nazis thought that Jews were oppressors. A shit reply is defending a genocidal maniac.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being such a bootlicker that you're comparing the rich to the Jews in 1940s Germany.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Jews were the rich in Germany in the 1930s. Imagine being so ignorant and delusional...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I guess if you really need to demonize anyone who doesn't love being exploited by capitalism as much as you do, you can pretend that Marx wanted the same thing hitler wanted.