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[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Vichy France of Pétain participated in the Holocaust too. France still use the fasces, the same anthem and the same flag.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Well, hot take /s, France bad

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's not the point. The point is: Ukraine is a normal country, nor a fascist hellhole nor a perfect Paradise. Their national symbol is also used by its far right, today and during the WWII; just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe. And just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe, they continued to use their national symbols after the WWII.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

they sure did continue to use there national symbols

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The point I was making is that France is also a fascist hellhole.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You have no idea of what fascism is.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have literally dedicated years of my life to a thorough understanding of German fascism, I know what fascism is. France is ideologically fascist and transitioning to it economically.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You follow the tankie definition of fascism? “Everything at the right of the bolshevism is fascism”?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

No, I am able to distinguish between less informed socialists, social democrats, anarchists/libertarians, liberals, and fascists, thank you.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Vichy France bad

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mhmm. And you have to look at what France does to immigrants right now

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We don't gas them, so it's not as bad. But yeah it's still not great

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, you don't have to gas people to be fascist, look at the US

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well USA do gas people all the time on protests and cop raids. They even used real deal Zyklon B to fumigate immigrants at border prior to WW2 (both theoretically non lethal doses though afaik some people did died or had other health problems) there was also over 600 executions in gas chamber.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Tear gas is bad not equivalent to gassing in the concentration camp sense. The US has stopped using Zyklon B and is still fascist.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, they killed much more people even without gas.