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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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The comment in question:
"To everyone arriving here from /all, remember that this is a .ml community when you attempt to engage in good faith."
Edit: Sorry for the double post - I just got back after being gone all day and didn't realize someone else had made a post about my comment! There's a bit of discussion here so I was going to leave it, but if the mods would rather delete it, feel free!
It doesn't seem like a good comparison here, your home is a place to feel safe, and also a place that is private. If someone forced their way into your home they would be deeply violating your safety and privacy.
A public instance like lemmy.ml is very different from that, and to compare the two is almost a bad faith comparison since you're implying that the Lemmy devs would be unsafe if someone came into Lemmy.ml uninvited or invalidated their opinions.
Lemmy.ml's mods and admins aren't endangered by opinions they dislike and people unwlling to respect them are not and will not be equivalent to someone violating the sanctity of their home.
Instances aren't precisely a house but they aren't fundamentally public spaces either.
They're privately owned and operated and while they provide public interface we're all operating in a networked system of walled gardens providing a service.
You can allege the admins and devs are being hypocrites all day with every action found in the modlog, but there is still a limit to what people will tolerate when they're providing a service.
Maybe there's some misunderstanding here. I'm saying it doesn't make sense to compare it to a house because of the exposed public nature of it, not based on public or private ownership of it. The house argument applies to a private space where one has sanctity, security, and privacy. It would be laughable to argue it for an open field even if you do own the plot.
Lemmy servers are more like those empty field plots than a house you'd expect safety and privacy from, see where I'm getting at here? If not that's okay. I'm used to not being understood by people, either unintentionally or intentionally.
I get what you mean. Although I know firsthand that in America open fields are guarded heavily, often violently. (Former government health department inspector.) Even approaching the fenceline without explicit permission is unwise for how sour a response it can create. I am beyond metaphor though with this.
It's a perfect comparison.
There's a lot of cope in your message that doesn't make sense, so I'll not entertain your accusation and purely opinion-based hypothetical "facts".
Lemmy instances are private instances. The owner and whoever they put in charge have - in almost every country in the world - the right to kick you off it for no reason.
You are comparing, by using the house example someone disagreeing with you on a public forum that you happen to own with someone making one feel unsafe in their own home, they are very different circumstances but I am separating it for one reason.
If I barged into your home and yelled at you I would be violating your safety and sanctity of your home.
If I came onto your server, you didn't like me and banned me then I came back uninvited I would not be threatening your safety or sanctity of your home, such an argument would be a bad faith comparison. Do you see the difference? A home is a personal private space to feel safe. A lemmy instance is a public place that faces the whole wide world, one cannot argue that they have safety and sanctity in such a place while making it publicly facing like this. Which is why I say it is a bad comparison. Made in bad faith if the purpose is to demonize or scrutinize the person who "violated" that person's server.
Buddy. If you come into my home with that attitude, I'd would kick you out in an instant. You don't own another instance, you just don't, even if it's public.
Not saying that at all, but good job showing your lack of reading comprehension, or you desire to misrepresent my arguments :)
You're just a troll kiddo. Get back to the grad.