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Americans are losing interest in electric cars, polling shows | The percent of Americans who own or are interested in owning an EV has dropped eight points since 2023. (wapo.st)

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I blame Elon Musk, who has done incredible damage not only to his own brand, but to the idea of EVs.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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I take it you don’t live in America. That’s fine, but unfortunately, mass transit isn’ta thing here except for densely populated cities. Cars will be on roads for the foreseeable future here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

No, I left because I had the opportunity to get out while there was still a chance. I grew up in the US, and I couldn't do that to my children knowing I could get out.

https://youtu.be/oHlpmxLTxpw

But if you're not able to leave the US, you can still make it better.

https://www.strongtowns.org/

The simple fact is that you have to live in a world without cars, or where cars are much more rare, because it simply isn't possible to build a sustainable society around them. This isn't even a climate thing, it's simply geometry. Cars take up space. In order to make space for cars, density has to go down. High population places with low density can't afford infrastructure because there isn't a concentrated enough tax base. Basically, most US cities are insolvent and are ticking time bombs that will collapse, like Flint and Detroit in time. As Trump increases economic pressures, American cities will become bankrupt faster.

American infrastructure is crumbling all over the place, because no one can afford to fix it. That's a car problem. Car infrastructure costs too much to maintain. That's not even taking into account climate change. The US has never built back from several of the climate disasters that have destroyed critical infrastructure, and these will continue to accelerate.

The US was built around trains, horses, streetcars, and bikes. It's only within the last 100 years that it's been completely redesigned around cars. That experiment has been a complete failure, and it was only possible to try because of cheap fossil fuels. That's gone... and I'm only talking about one of the many headwinds.

So you do have to live without cars. That's not actually a question. The question is if you will do that on your terms or by the force of complete economic collapse.

I left behind all my friends, a high paying job, a big house with a garden we'd been working on for years, and everything else I lost and sold, to get out because I don't believe people like you will be able to accept these facts. Oh, and before you say something about me never living outside of a city, I spent the majority of my first 20 years living in places like Gates, OR and Cobb, CA. You can google those if you care to.