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Mahmoud Khalil can be expelled for his beliefs alone, US government argues
(www.theguardian.com)
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Being a Nazi is just a belief system, and y'all wouldn't care if a Nazi got deported for being a Nazi.
He's not a Nazi, you dumb twit.
Nazis should be terminated, nevermind deported.
I don't believe he was arguing that Mahmound is a Nazi. He's noting that Trump, Elon, the far right etc... defend the hell out of Nazi's and white supremicists with "I'm not saying I agree with it, but I'll defend your right to say it, we're free speach purists", right up until someone with ideology that strongly opposes their views starts also talking... then it's shut him up, get rid of him.
I'm noting that Lemmy in general is perfectly fine with deporting people for their belief systems so long as it's shitty enough and in a flavor Lemmy hates. But there's plenty of flavors lemmey loves.
Lemmy loves communism, loves killing millions of people, especially Jews, loves racism, loves misgendering historical figures, I could probably go on. At this point, makes you wonder what Lemmy actually hates about Nazism, seeing as they love all the core tenets of killing Jews. Maybe it's the fact they did the impossible and left their mom's basement.
In any case, y'all don't care about deporting someone over beliefs, so stop lying.
Paging Mr Strawman. Mr Strawman please.
Kinda bullshit are you smoking to be so fucking incorrect?
This is why I love the left. You're all holed up in your silos and have no idea what the opposition to you actually believe. At the same time the opposition is actively expanding out so many people believe this sentiment and when the left are confronted with these things it's shocking to them. Meanwhile these ideas have become common.
There's just no resistance to them spreading ideas.
First: Nazi lives don't matter
Second:
Start proving this shit
Seriously, prove it. Now.
Save for the communism stuff, duh. "Oh no, the people own the means of production? How terrible!"
The rest, prove it.
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inb4 "I don't have to prove anything to you" or moving the goal postsThe comment is the proof. I can also go on to r/conservative or r/h3 to show similar ideas.
My point is, Lemmy and others on the left are so holed up in corners like Lemmy that they are unprepared to actually engage.
People on the left do not engage with the world. Second of all, calling everyone Nazi and fascists isn't doing Jack shit. Fucking evolve and adapt
Your proof is the comment you made? That's some horseshit "trust me bro" logic.
That is the proof. You don't know what you're arguing. I'm not saying what they said is valid. I'm saying their opinion is a common opinion. My proof is their opinion and your reaction to it.
Is every red hat as stupid as you, or are you intentionally moronic? Do you need to be institutionalized? Are you trying to get first place in the Fucking Stupid-ass Moron Olympics?
Provide fucking evidence besides saying "that's the evidence" you fucking walnut!
YOU cannot be trusted, so "trust me bro" mentality doesn't hold up. Show evidence from credible sources. Right now.
Remember math class? Show your work.
So many lines of just fucked up insults. Lame ass ones too. Not a Red hat. But also not like you. Proof is already provided.
What’s your instance, is reddthat federated with hexbear?
You didn’t complain about pedophilia so hopefully you’re at least defederated from that segment…
Hey have you been screenshotting all that holocaust denier kinda lunacy (assuming like “[let’s literally] kill Jewish people [for fun, meet at the synagogue]” and not “arrest BN for war crimes”)? I’m bouta report ‘em soon as I see that BS - ppl should hang for genocide but obviously Jews are neutral at worst and awesome at best. (Reminds me I wanna watch Larry David, one of the planet’s funniest and happens to be Jewish… ppl might post his gifs here btw so it’s not entirely a jerk-off-Hitler platform)
PS: sorry you’ve read calls to violence against innocent people
I haven't. Usually it's stuff like this post, where the guy in question wants to kill everyone in Israel, Jewish or not, and Lemmy thinks that's perfectly okay.
It's so infuriating, and it's the main reason I wouldn't recommend Lemmy to anyone these days.
Thanks for the reply.
Mahmoud Khalil, had to check. Where’d you read the “kill everyone”? Here’s my glance @ Wiki:
That makes him sound limpdick af, so wanna read where you see your news (not facetious)
He's the head of a group of called Cuad. They celebrated the Oct 7th terrorist attack and continue to be incredibly anti-Semitic.
Would you expect a Klan leader to be anti-racist?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_pro-Palestinian_campus_protests_and_occupations_during_the_Gaza_war
Proof that he's the head of CUAD?
Go over to the talk section, there's a dude with two different sources saying he was.
I don't see anyone saying or confirming he is the head of CUAD.
You're going to continue to be infuriated and further isolated if you continue to argue in bad faith that the people that call for an end to an apartheid system are antisemitic..
EDIT: Moreover, when I see people mad at people criticizing apartheid ethno-states, it's generally because they are racist against brown people.
If I followed your logic you would be, by definition, racist. And I would be publicly justified in calling you a bigot for your defense of apartheid.
Kinda shitty, right?
Maybe you shouldn't do that?
It's anti-Semitic to want to kill Jews. And guess what group this guy runs? Cuad, which wants to kill 7 million Jews.
And how am I racist by my own logic? I don't follow
Okay anti-semite.
I'm just going to explicitly call it the anti-Semitic trash as being such whenever that person equates Israel and Judaism.
Cuad does not wasn't to kill 7 million Jews. They wasn't institutions such as Columbia to stop investing in an apartheid genocidal state.
The freak out from the defenders of that genocidal state get more and more shrill as people recognize apartheid and genocide for what is.
Go peddle your genocide justification elsewhere. No one wants your anti-semitism here.
They want to destroy Israel and kill every infidel in Israel. There are 7.2 million Jews in Israel. They want to kill 7.2 million Jews.
Gaza is 98% Sunni Muslim.
Israel is 74.2% Jewish, 17.8% Muslim, 2% Christian, 1.6% Druze, and 4.4% other. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
Which one is fascist? Which one is multi-cultural?
Just like Apartheid south Africa was multi-cultural, right?
All those ethnicities have equal legal rights, right? Including in the areas Israel is colonizing?
If I'm gay, can I get married in Israel?
Did the multiculturalism extend to the Gazan Jewish or Christian populations (you know, the Jewish ancestors of the people that DIDN'T leave in the diaspora)?
Did it extend to their places of worship?
Again, you're falling back to the literal last argument of literally every apartheid government everywhere: if we stop oppressing them, they'll kill us.
Do you think the ANC was a terrorist group?
Do you think they killed of all the British and Dutch ancestry people that were there?
Come on. At least try to be original in defense of the slaughter of mostly children.
EDIT: forgot to add that you need to stop anti-semitically equating the actions of a genocidal child murdering state, and a ethnicity/religion. Why do you keep doing that. It's antisemitic.
Stop being antisemitic.
Yes.
Yes. It's illegal to be gay in Gaza.
Yes, assuming you're still talking about when/where Israel was in charge.
Using the past tense? Not in Gaza, but yes in Israel.
Do I need to continue? You're obviously ignorant
If your evidence of anti-semitism is the phrase:
From the river to the Sea, Palestine will be free.
Then you're either delusional ( small chance ), or you're anti-semitically trying to link all Jewish people with a state that the largest humans rights organizations have labelled an apartheid state.
Why are you linking the actions of a state to a people? Are you trying to make those non-israeli Jewish people less safe by linking them to the actions of a genocidal apartheid state actively engaged in war crimes?
Why would you do such an antisemitic thing?
From the river to the sea means destroying Israel and killing every infidel there. Do you not understand their goals at all? It's not hard to Google translate their charters and articles.
The largest human rights org is the UN's, and it has Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates as members. They're not exactly unbiased.
Found the Nazi!
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
I'd care. As H. L. Mencken said:
Saving this quote
A belief system that wants people dead.
Nazi lives don't matter.
Yeah, cause in a nazis belief system I should be enslaved or killed. There belief system is an existential threat to me, so yeah I'm not gonna cry if they're further away from me.
Mahmouds belief system is only an existential threat to the apartheid Israeli state.
That's not his belief system. He wants to kill everyone living in Israel, Jewish or not. Do you not know what "from the river to the sea" means?
It means calling for a one party state with equal rights for all. You know, what non-racist people should want. Guessing from your bad faith lies about that statement, I'm guessing that isn't you, though.
One of the last arguments defenders of apartheid systems like to use is: 'we can't give them equal rights. Do you know what they'll do to us? They might do to us what we did to them.'
Last time I heard this argument was from defenders of Apartheid South Africa about the ANC. Whom they also declared were terrorists.
You know, that racist shithole country whose final ally was Israel?
Apartheid countries like to stick together, I guess.
EDIT:
Do you think apartheid South Africa should have fought to maintain apartheid like Rhodesia did?
Why or why not?
Were the ANC arguing to kill all white people in South Africa when they argued for an end to an apartheid state?
How is that different from Israel?
If you're not an intellectual coward, you'll answer these questions, even if only to yourself.
EDIT EDIT: Holy crap you're a human walking contradiction. Based on your comments you're a pro-union anti-racist that is pro deportation without judicial process. You're also transphobic and racist against Chinese people.
You have no consistency to your ideological beliefs, like, AT ALL.
Yeah, it means the same thing as a song I was taught in elementary school:
From sea to shining sea,
Let freedom ring
It means let everyone in this land enjoy freedom. I suppose if your a cynical bastard you could say it means free of natives, but I don't think that's what the elementary schoolers, and everyone else who sings the song means.
Oh God no, what gave that idea? From the river to the sea means destroying Israel and killing every infidel there.
Actually now that I think about it, from sea to shining sea did involve killing a lot of native Americans. That actually lines up.