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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (38 children)

Leftists in America are a tiny minority that happens to be in a kingmaker role because the Dems and Repubs are nearly evenly matched. There is no vast silent majority of Leftists. You're in an internet bubble.

YOU need to get onboard with OUR ideas.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (21 children)

So I'm assuming you're a liberal? Let's hear these ideas, seriously.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Sure!

  • All people are equal before the law. Discrimination is abhorrent, and people's personal freedoms should be respected until they harm others. Liberals and Leftists pretty much agree 100% on this so I won't spend more time on it.

  • Capitalism is the most powerful social engine for beneficial progress that the world has ever seen, but we need to keep it under control. It's like an engine - harnessed, throttled, and controlled explosive power to drive us forward at a manageable pace. Strong regulations, strong unions, progressive taxes, and heavy government incentives are the ways we keep capitalism under control. Currently, it is OUT of control and is doing far more harm than good.

  • Taxes on the rich should be higher, loopholes should be closed, and enforcement should be stepped up. There's no consensus on exactly how much higher, but they all agree they should be higher.

  • At the same time, we recognize the potential economic effects of taxing the rich. If we're not careful, they'll just move their money elsewhere. So we want to raise taxes to the extent possible without triggering flight of the wealthy.

  • Everyone deserves a minimum standard of living. Food, shelter, and healthcare are human rights and should be free for those who can't afford it.

  • Immigrants are good for the economy. Even the illegal ones. We should be making immigration easier.

  • Climate change is real, is man-made, and it is our duty as humans to do our best to fix it. However, we can do so to a large extent without causing hardship among everyday people, by making intelligent changes upstream from consumers. We can have economic growth AND tackle climate change, if we're smart about it.

Obviously, left-leaning liberalism is a wide-ranging ideology but these are the main ones that came to mind immediately. The biggest difference between liberalism and Leftism is that Leftists want to tear down capitalism and Liberals want to control it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm into it. I do think capitalism has far overstayed its welcome. I agree with everything you've written here, I just see it as a stepping stone to socialism rather than an end goal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fair enough. I think a lot of Liberals view socialism (like no shit real "own the means of production" socialism, rather than European capitalist-lite socialism of today) the same way as me: it sounds nice, it just doesn't seem to work very well in practice. But hey if we can get it to work, neat. In the mean time, let's get capitalism under control.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lol, capitalism doesn't work either?

There is no "in the meantime", capitalism is causing a general collapse of society and the entire biosphere of earth there is no tweaking the ship smashing into a iceberg to be beneficial for the ship, the ship already hit the iceberg.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago
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