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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So why did they remove so many from the count? Thousands?

How they count them isn't at issue is it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Because they do not know the name of the killed person.

The people have not been removed from the counted bodies list. The identified bodies list is shorter than the counted bodies list.

How does this translate to "Hamas admits 72% of those killed a combat ages males."?

New question, why do you think Jerusalem post cites some random in New York instead of Hamas' own numbers if this is their source?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Because they do not know the name of the killed person.

Presumably that's been in play since the start of the war. It can't be they've know the names of everyone up until last month.

From the Telegraph article: "The Hamas lists contain information such as names and ID numbers, and can be filled in by anyone with a link to the Google form for the document."

How does this translate to "Hamas admits 72% of those killed a combat ages males."?

From the Telegraph article, “The demographics are the most important thing in all this. We’ve heard the claims that about 70 per cent of the deaths are women and children, and these lists, especially the most recent, show that’s complete nonsense,”

And then: "About 72 per cent of fatalities aged 13-55 are men, which is the rough age range of Hamas combatants"

So the word "admits" is doing some unfair lifting there, but the main point of the OP article is that the MoH revised their casualty numbers by removing some 3,200 "fully identified" names, including 1,080 children.

The obvious way to check this would be to look at the actual MoH reporting - which is what I can't find anywhere. They must be somewhere but I don't know where.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Hamas does not use 13 year olds as soldiers. This makes absolutely no sense and your comment is complete lie. It is clear you are here to spread an agenda and are not arguing in any good faith.

The Hamas list also did not change. The person from New York just made up bullshit by comparing different lists to eachother and pretending they were the same.

A google search shows they are likely using the same lie as the previous time as reports from today cite the same misinformation Zionist think tank.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This makes absolutely no sense and your comment is complete lie.

You mean the quoted comment.

It is clear you are here to spread an agenda and are not arguing in any good faith.

My agenda is finding those reports. My faith is good AF.

The Hamas list also did not change.

Okay, that's your claim at odds with the articles, so please show they didn't change - please just show the Palestinian Ministry of Health casualty numbers with demographics for Feb 2025 and March 2025.

I'm ready to accept that they didn't change, but I can't find them at all, that's my point. If you know where they are, link them.

My guess is that you don't know where they are and are just pissed that an Israel-supporting article is calling out stats for being false. I would be pissed too if I knew that was false.

So again, we're looking for proof of a decrease (or, as you say, no decrease - whichever it is) in Palestinian Ministry of Health casualty figures from the early part of this year, with the demographic details. Please find.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Even quoting the article, the article is not making a valid argument. TheTelegraph saying that Hamas are 13 year old kids does not make it a useable argument in a discussion.

I have no idea what the actual numbers are. Because the previous time this stunt was pulled it was a hoax I do not feel like putting in the effort to dig through. Instead I will put slightly more effort than The Telegraph into this comment and defer the question to AI

The Palestinian Ministry of Health released a comprehensive list of identified casualties as of March 22, 2025, totaling 50,021 deaths. This figure comes from a 1,516-page document published after two months of body collection during a ceasefire that began in January 2025. The demographic breakdown of these identified fatalities is as follows: Children (under 18): 15,613 (31%)

Women: 8,304 (17%)

Elderly: 3,839 (8%)

Men: 22,265 (45%)

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-11-march-2025

As of April 3, 2025, there have been no widely documented or specific reports explicitly stating that certain identified bodies were missing from the Palestinian Ministry of Health’s (MoH) updated casualty list released on March 22, 2025, which included 50,021 identified deaths. However, the context of the MoH’s reporting process and the challenges in Gaza suggest potential discrepancies that could lead to such concerns. Let’s explore this based on available information and the inherent complexities of the situation. The MoH’s March 22 list was a significant update, compiled after two months of body recovery during a ceasefire that began in January 2025. This list, spanning 1,516 pages, aimed to provide a comprehensive record of identified fatalities from October 7, 2023, to March 22, 2025. It was built from hospital records, morgue data, and family submissions verified by medics and police, with efforts to restore a central database from Shifa Hospital playing a key role. However, the MoH has acknowledged that its totals—exceeding 50,000 by late March—do not include an estimated 10,000 bodies still under rubble, of which only a few dozen were recovered during the ceasefire. This gap alone indicates that not all deaths, identified or otherwise, are fully accounted for in the published list.

Also

HonestReporting, an Israeli media advocacy group founded in 2000, explicitly states its mission as combating "ideological prejudice in journalism and the media, as it impacts Israel." Its focus is on monitoring and challenging perceived anti-Israel bias in news coverage, which inherently positions it as a pro-Israel organization. This is reflected in its activities, such as analyzing media for inaccuracies or bias against Israel, providing tools to advocate for Israel, and pressuring outlets for corrections when coverage is deemed unfair to Israeli perspectives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

~~Why do the percentages not add up to 100%?~~

(Edit: oh i see, the formatting caught it.)

I don't think I can trust AI. And if you don't know the numbers, and I don't know the numbers, then we'll just leave it there.

I agree your point of calling a 13-year old a combat-age-male is ridiculous.

It still doesn't answer the questions raised, but at least we know where we are.