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Transcription: Meme with mad max-type cars facing the viewer with the caption: "It is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of car culture"

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (14 children)

What I love about the whole Mad Max post apocalyptic wasteland is that ...... everyone has enough fuel to go wandering around the desert. A raiding party of a dozen transports, riding with a bunch of small cars and motorcycles would probably consume several hundred gallons of fuel in one afternoon.

It would probably take a year before all available fuel would be depleted and then there would be nothing to replenish it all. Sure you can use alcohol but that is in even smaller supply and most of it would have been consumed by people anyway.

We'll be able to build, fix, and maintain gas powered engines after the apocalypse but we won't have any fuel to keep them running.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Wouldn't even be a year. Gasoline has a shelf life of six months. Three months if it's an ethanol blend.

After that, you're down to homemade diesel, electric vehicles, and bicycles.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's not correct. I have ethanol-free petrol for my chainsaw that has a shelf life of 5 years guaranteed (probably lasts longer, since that's from the time of purchase)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not everyone knows that ethanol is simply worse for fuel efficiency and only exists to be a corn subsidy for farmers. I know E85 tuning exists which is cool but it’s still mostly trash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yah. The fact that we're turning edible food into worse gas, and thereby driving up food prices worldwide for no reason, is nothing short of inhumane. It's not even a reduction in greenhouse gas; it requires so much processing that it's about the same as just pumping crude out of the ground.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It would have made more sense to just pay farmers more with subsidies, instead oil lobbyist tricked ag lobbyist into accepting this deal (or more likely bribed them).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hmmm, interesting. Looks like there's some fuel stabilizers that can preserve it for a few years (most of what I can find are for 1-3 years). I'm guessing the 5-year blend has a shorter shelf life once opened? The really interesting part seems to be that some of these stabilizers can be added to old gasoline to make it usable again. So as long as an organization had an utterly gigantic supply of stabilizer, they could potentially keep using gas for quite a while.

These stabilizers are definitely not in regular gasoline, though, so everyone except the extremely paranoid would be SOL.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Stabilizers are marketing BS, they can't rejuvenate old fuel and they generally work by introducing an additional component that reduces the ability of the fuel (mostly the methanol content) to absorb water ... however they rarely have a positive effect over all because they cause other problems.

Long shelf-life fuel is made in the refining stage. European standard E10 petrol can last a year or more if it's stored correctly ... I know this because I sometimes do store it for that long by accident.

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