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American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.

Soldiers 'crushed' his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to 'send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.' The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

I think you’re getting into dangerous territory with that thinking. People are not a monolith, even when an outspoken and visible portion of the population are monsters. Secondly, you say “Nazi germany has no right to exist,” but Germany does. Painting with that broad a brush and speaking in such absolutes opens the door to horrible acts. Because the zionists speak the exact same way about Palestine. That’s where that thinking and language can lead you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Germany does not have the right to exist. The German people have a right to self determination, like any people in the world does. This right is not tied to any specific state.

It is also completely absurd to define such rights to a specific state. Any specific state needs a specific government, a specific territory and a specific people. The only thing that carried over from the Nazi era was the people. A different government was formed on a very different territory. If you claim "Germany has a right to exist" in connection with the Nazi Reich, that Germany would have to include large swaths of what is todays Poland and Czech Republic.

Meanwhile there was no Israel in 1947. There was no Israeli people in 1947. The entire people is a construct, that only started to become a reality through 80 years of ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Palestinian people. Now that they are a people is a reality. That this people thus has the right to form a fascist state and deny the rights to the people who they have uprooted is nonsense.

If the US was to invade Canada, drive the Canadians north of the arctic circle and then claim this is US-Canada now because the filled it with millions of their own settlers, that does not create a "right to exist" for US-Canada.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Theoretically, of course I agree with you.

But saying an existing country has no right to exist, while discussing the very real problems of said country, while said country does, in fact, exist, is treading on incredibly dangerous, straight up genocidal ground.

How can you guys not see the problems inherent in that, while half of the people are arguing against the existence of fucking nuance? You all can’t be that dense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

while said country does, in fact, exist

Irrelevant in whether or not it has the right to do so

straight up genocidal ground

Don't be an idiot, it's nowhere near the same thing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If that’s what you think, extend the thought experiment. Say you get what you want, Israel stops existing tomorrow. What happens to everyone there?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Say you get what you want, Israel stops existing tomorrow

Easy: that's not what I want

What happens to everyone there?

A different government rules over them

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