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    [–] renzev@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (18 children)

    Yeah I totally agree. But still, I feel like there are much more terrible GUI programs out there than terrible CLI programs. The only truly awful CLIs I can think of is that tool for managing MegaRAID controllers that has the weird abbreviations everywhere, and shell interfaces to GUI-first bloatware like Dconf that were probably added as an afterthought. I think with CLI there's only so many things that the developer can fuck up. It's all just text. Meanwhile with GUI there are endless opportunities for truly horrid design. Think of Teams. Think of the github web interface. Think of the r*ddit redesign. Or go watch that Tantacrul video on Sibelius. CLI could never have such a breadth of terribleness.

    [–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    Arch's package manager is pretty terrible.

    Here's two commands. See if you can guess what they might do:

    pacman -S package_name
pacman -Syu

    SolutionThe first command installs a package.
    The second command updates all packages.

    I believe, there's some sort of logic to the letters, but man, most users seriously do not care. They just want to install, update and remove packages 99% of the time, so they shouldn't need to learn that intricate logic for three commands.
    I guess, you could use pkcon to do that instead, but that doesn't really help new users...

    [–] gaael@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    AFAIK, arch never pretended to cater to new linux/cli users, I've always read it as a recommandation for advanced (or at least comfortable with reading docs and using CLI) users.
    My first time using arch required me following the arch wiki for install and when I finally got a working system (I'm as bad at following tutorials as I am at following cooking recipes) the pacman commands were not something I struggled with.
    But yeah coming from Debian where I had the gloriously intuitive apt syntax, I get your point.

    [–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Advanced users would still benefit from good design.

    [–] gaael@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

    I do agree, I'm just not surprised it wasn't done this way at the start and I'm not bothered enough by it to want a change.

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