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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

The misunderstanding I see here is in the definition of “subjective”.

Subjective is often used interchangeably with opinion. And people can certainly have different opinions.

But the subjective that is meant is that morals don’t exist without a subject, aka a mind to comprehend them.

A rock exists whether or not a mind perceives the rock. The rock is objective. It is a physical object.

The idea that it is wrong to harm someone for being different is subjective. It is an idea. A thought. The thought does not exist without a mind.

So yes. Morals are all subjective. Morals do not exist in the physical world. Morals are not objects, they do not objectively exist. They exist within a subject. Morals subjectively exist.

That does not mean that any set of morals is okay because it’s just an opinion, bro. Because it’s not just an opinion. Those subjective values effect objective reality.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Nobody used the word subjective. What are you on about?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So you legitimately don't recognize the screenshot as being fundamentally based around the issues of subjectivity and objectivity?

I mean.. what are you on about?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago

I think you should read more carefully in the future, but this time I’ll explain it to you: The OP used the word relative. The reply went into a discussion about how the word subjective has a narrow meaning in philosophy that isn’t the same as the common usage. The OP was not discussing subjectivity in the sense of the reply, nor did it use the word subjective.

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