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[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml 36 points 9 months ago (6 children)

cmon we just want capitalism to die already ๐Ÿฅบ

[โ€“] cm0002@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime

[โ€“] Carl@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago

Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.

[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

socialism is, by definition, more democratic than any capitalist regime because it can't work if people don't want it. it also provides an excellent framework for overthrowing capitalism.

if not that, then what do you want it replaced with?

[โ€“] echolalia@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This conversation is great.

(in case it does not load there is a picture in this reply)

[โ€“] ekZepp@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree with the dog. So I must like this right?

[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

that just means you will be completely ineffective.

[โ€“] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

... or snapping out of it. seriously, if you live in the US you have Hollywood right by your doorstep. take a moment to investigate leftism further than what their common sense is, and you will see its nothing like that. also note not i'm not saying its perfect either, but we are constantly learning.

the owner class engages in class warfare whether we decide to believe in it or not.

[โ€“] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, a lot of users, especially on Lemmygrad, support Russia and their invasion, for example. Hexbear supports China's dictator. Most .ml I've interacted with are also on Russia's side.

Don't act like the only thing is anti-capitalism. That'd be fine. It's everywhere on the fediverse. No, those instances stand apart for a reason, and you know that.

[โ€“] Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Same, I just don't want it to be like the soviet union.

[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

not many leftists (even marxist-leninists like myself) want things to be exactly like in the soviet union. firstly because conditions were different back then, secondly because they were the very first socialist experiment and made many mistakes despite their great advancements. theres also the fact that period was heavily propagandized to westerners, making for a biased view of what it was.

we learned a lot since then and socialism is supposed to be adapted to the will of the people and current material conditions. every socialist country does things differently. as a south american i personally like the latin american attempts and would love to see them grow uninmpeded by imperialism.

[โ€“] Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you have any links about the latin-american ones? Google isn't giving me anything useful.

[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

For starting to think about it: I think the chilean attempt by Salvador Allende was quite good, although he made the mistake of thinking the US wouldn't be able to interfere, or rather he underestimated his challenges moving forward. I like the political system in modern-day Cuba and what theyve been able to achieve despite not having much, and sacrificing quite a bit for the revolution. Would love to see what they make of themselves without a blockade, but the comparison with Haiti is already striking as it is.

by supporting capitalist regimes

[โ€“] gmtom@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Same, but I also think killing average working people for no reason makes you a bad person.

[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago

socialism = murdering innocent civilians is a propaganda trope. who would want that?

[โ€“] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

domestic terrorist vibes detected... proper authority has been notified, resistance is futile.

[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

o no mr cop i swear im obeying