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Germany's Obsession With Defending Israel and Criminalizing Speech Aided AfD's Rise
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this post was submitted on 23 Feb 2025
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Duh! I've been saying this on here and getting called a Nazi as a result. First, censorsing & criminalizing free speech is fasscist behavior. But it is also causes those groups to grow.
Are you talking about Germany's ban on fascist symbols and Holocaust denial?
If so, calling that “fascist behavior” is the dumbest shit I've heard in a while. Seriously below “what happened to the tolerant left” level.
I believe he’s talking about Germany not allowing critique on war crimes and mass murder if perpetrated by Israel.
And that is not on a criminal level but instead on a political.
It is legally allowed to critique Israel.
And that is not on a criminal level but instead on a political.
It is legally perfectly allowed to critique Israel. So the OP still would be wrong.
Actually are there are legal restrictions on critising Israel in Germany.
Really? I can't remember that anybody got legally punished for criticizing Israel, but I might just not remember it. Can you provide sources for your claim?
You're literally in the comment section for an article about it
No, you either didn't read the article or didn't understand it. The article doesn't mention a single instance of what you claim.
The article is about political pressure, as I said, about accusing Israel critics of other crimes and thereby trying to shut them down. But criticizing Israel is not illegal. And that is the same as happened in USA, where protest where shut down and accused of other crimes to stop them.
Actually it does. If you're just going to straight up deny verifiable reality, what's the point in talking to you?
What? I specifically checked the article before I posted the comment. Please quote the part you are talking about.
So, rather than wasting time arguing with you when you're just going to actively deny verifiable reality, I'm just going to say "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." (because I don't live in Germany, where it's illegal.)
Again, I'm not denying verifiable reality, you are not reading correctly.
The article mentions the sentence in the following paragraphs
-> not illegal, just some idiots calling for it to be illegal
Here, just for you, from me who lives in Germany, where it's not illegal to say it: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free."
And I mean it, because what Israel is doing is simply a genocide. But that doesn't mean you can just change reality to what you think it is.
And honestly, if you read and understood the article, it shouldn't take much time to search for the terms you know and then copy that into a comment to prove me wrong.
... Because that is exactly what I did with this comment, proving you wrong that the sentence you wrote is in fact not illegal.
Edit: after checking Wikipedia, I have to partially retract my statement about the legality. The ministry of inner affairs ordered Hamas as terrorist organization and the saying as its slogan and forbid it. However, multiple courts have already overturned that decision and stated that the saying is not illegal in itself, only if its meant as direct support for Hamas. So I was wrong, but the Wikipedia article explained it much better than the posted article.
Yeah, I'm not reading all that from someone who is, as we established, denying reality
That's wrong. You can criticise Israel all day long, but you may maneuver yourself into problems if you mix up the Jews (as in anti-semitic rhetoric) with the the state of Israel.
The article itself proves you wrong, but you already knew that