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The dems lost the presidency, the house, the senate, and most state and local races. Whether they lost by 1% or 10% is irrelevant - it was a fucking landslide loss and all you’re spewing is liberal fucking cope.
You misunderstood my point about the democrats sucking all the air out of the room. They co-opt every fucking “leftist” and “progressive” movement (and all the activism work) so far and then suffocate it with a pillow and pivot to fascism lite instead. Do you think I haven’t gone down this path? I canvassed for Bernie in 2016. The democrats are not our fucking friends and their existence is to thwart left wing activism from having any effect at all.
The third parties are equally useless. Electoralism doesn’t work and america is in its death throes as a nation. It’s about time the democrat party apologists wake the fuck up and see the writing on the wall.
Yeah, no shit. Look around you, that’s where we are heading only this time it’s not going to be fought on clean lines but guerrilla style block to block neighbor against neighbor.
Just remember what the democrats did to Bernie in 2016. We could of been finishing our second term with him but instead we’re staring at the abyss wondering when the other shoe will drop.
Never said they were. Democrats are there to muzzle Leftists, Republicans are there to euthanize them. You can figure a way out of a muzzle, you can't figure a way out of being dead.
What's your alternative? Where's the shotgun you want us to replace our stick with? Not the idea of a shotgun, not a mechanical diagram of a shotgun, but a tangible thing actually ready to be used? Because I don't see one. I see splintered infighting factions. Uncoordinated discontent is not tangible.
We have the Internet. This is the easiest time in all of history to coordinate like-minded people. Where's the Leftist playbook? Where's Praxis 2025? Discrete, organized, unified coordination behind a common cause? "Shit's fucked" isn't a plan. A vague call to guerilla rebellion isn't a plan. Who are you fighting? Where? How? Are you just relying on millions of Leftists to spontaneously become stochastic terrorists? How long do you think that will last going up against the largest military the world has ever seen?
Self-proclaimed Leftists are a rounding error in the general population. Sure, people are dissatisfied, but not nearly enough to risk their lives in the streets behind some nebulous aspiration. Not enough of them to make a difference at least. You're not advocating revolution, you're advocating mass-suicide.
Develop a plan, garner a critical-mass of support, then we can abandon damage mitigation and work toward meaningful change. Maybe try educating the MAGA working class instead of shouting at Leftists who criticize your lack of organization. This disorganized infighting is only helping the fascists. I'll keep recruiting with the one hand, but I'm keeping my stick in the other until that shotgun materializes.
We're on the same side. Stop trying to fracture our side and focus on trying to bring people to it.
My alternative is mass unionization and more Luigi. Gotta hit the capitalists where it hurts.
They only understand wealth and their own mortality.
Were not on the same side. Your plan is “democrats are all we got guess we’ll have to work with them.” The democrats are no longer worth working with.
Guess what Kamala Harris recently accomplished? She missed the tie breaking vote for the NLRB seat, losing a seat on the board that protects unionization efforts two years early. don’t fucking tell me that democrats are just a fucking muzzle.
What do you think I’m doing in my real life? Do you think I don’t have leftist infused conversations with all my trump voting coworkers? A whole lot of them are of the Bernie to trump pipeline (vermont). They are not the media caricature of trump voters. They would easily vote leftist if it was marketed right. The democrats are not leftist and their policies along with Republican policies actively hurt American workers. Most people are one $1000 emergency away from homelessness. Get fucking real.
You’re coming off as a democrat apologist to me in every single comment. I’m not a fool.
Agreed. How long do you think that will take though, and are we supposed to just keep letting fascists entrench themselves in the meantime? That's the point of voting lesser evil, to slow down fascism so it's easier to defeat when proper praxis is mature enough to actually defeat it. We're not voting for representation, we're voting for weaker enemies.
False. My plan is "Democrats are the lesser evil, let's make sure they keep winning until we have something to replace them with. I'd rather flight a neo-lib than a full-bore fascist"