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Friedrich Engels, 1872, On authority
People seriously still quote On Authority? 🙄
I found the quote interesting. Is the source material bad? How so?
Engels conflates authority with basically everything: necessity, organization, processes, violence, self-defense, etc.
This video thoroughly debunks the essay
An anticommunist breadtuber (but I repeat myself) debunks Engels 😂 Anarchism, unlike Marxism-Leninism, has yet to succeed in the real world for more than a few months. We will welcome anarchists’ lectures once they’ve proven their theory in praxis.
Anything else than ad-hominem attacks and wishful thinking? Like actually engaging with the actual critique, tankie?
Anarchism’s lack of success to date is historical fact, and I think that’s reason enough not to take the time to engage with some Burgerland anarchist’s video essay.
Someone's scared, I see.
What a great theorist Engels must have been, given that you must find ridiculous excuses in order to avoid engaging critically with his work. /s
So, tell me: in what way is necessity, the laws of physics or self-defense the same thing as a monopolization of decision making power?
On authority is used to justify the fact that many communist movements of the past turned into brutal dictatorships and that "it's fine actually that mao starved half of China because you can't have a revolution without being authoritarian".
The actual paper is short and kind of stupid. What Engels was arguing in that short essay with a ridiculously outsized influence was that he was technically correct (the best kind) that anarchists are silly because any type of government someone could propose inevitably involves one person imposing their will on another like your quote says.
Really what Engels (who was a prominent communist thinker) was doing was fucking up any attempts at communist organization because now 1/3 of communists think that brutal authoritarianism is based and necessary for a revolution.
Just because you have trouble comprehending something doesn't make it stupid.
To this day, nobody's actually articulated any counterpoints to it, so yeah.
Just cause you chose to ignore the well-founded critique, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
If the critique was well founded we'd see it applied in practice in the real world. The fact that anarchists aren't able to put their ideas into practice shows that they can be safely binned.
Libertarian socialists have come closer to achieving socialism than any state in the ML tradition.
LMFAO
Xi will give the means of production back to the workers yany day now* I can feel it. /s
already has https://www.taylorwessing.com/en/insights-and-events/insights/2024/01/employees-participation-in-corporate-governance-under-the-revised-chinese-company-law
Will this be implemented before or after they allow non-state-run unions to exist?
socialism is when non-state-run unions 🤣
Do you understand the difference between necessary and sufficient conditions?
If memorizing age of consent laws by region is achieving socialism, then sure.