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The themes of celebrating diversity are absolutely the same. The difference I see is mainly the cinematography, story structure, and pacing. SNW and Lower Decks are a lot closer to what Trek has been in those aspects than Discovery was.
Again: Not saying Disco is bad at all. (Except for having a reaction shot of every one of the dozens of people on the bridge any time anything interesting happens. Those irk me.)
EDIT: After further consideration, I've decided that Disco is Trek, but it's a series of Trek movies and not a series of TV episodes. But the last season is still the same premise as Andromeda.
You might not have seen my edit, but I've changed to viewing it as a series of Trek movies rather than a TV series, which makes much more sense. Right down to the multiple reaction close ups.
I forgot the rules. Sorry.
These points being interpreted as "gatekeeping" is wild.
I disagree because someone sharing their opinion does not limit others from accessing the content. Edit if others aren't targeted during the opinion sharing
Someone saying "blue isn't a good color" doesn't make blue less accessible, and their opinion isn't authoritative in some access based way.
Gatekeeping to me would be flaming someone if they don't know some nuance about some character in one particular episode then saying they shouldn't be watching trek at all. They aren't a "real fan."
But we disagree on this most likely. I didn't @ you or reply to you directly as I didn't want to slap fight. I was just discussing with OP who has since deleted. So, dead thread I guess. To be clear: I was addressing the votes primarily.
The original statement surely is a weak opinion on its own, which was hashed out below.
Edit.meh this isn't worth it
I'll edit and close by saying I DO agree with your final sentence. That is very true.
Disclaimer: Only Trek I had watched beforehand was Lower Decks (loved it) and SNW (loved it) in that order. With that said, here are my opinions nobody asked for:
spoiler
SPOILER STARTThey COMPLETELY lost me with the source of the burn, it was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a hot minute.
They had me again with the Giorgio redemption stuff in S4(?), but it was all downhill from there.
SPOILER ENDI had to forward through starting from the second half of Season 4 just to get through it. It got so ridiculously boring. I was hoping it'd get better and I could watch normally again but it just didn't.
Watching TNG now and I'm loving it. Can be a bit slow sometimes but still enjoyable.
Edit: Does boost not do spoiler tags?
Re your spoiler:
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I agree. Out of all the reasons they could have come up with for The Burn being caused by a distraught Kelpian was one that was mostly just designed for an emotional ending rather than basic decent sci-fi.That was really an issue with Discovery for me overall, they wanted to do the 'tug your heartstrings' before doing anything else. There needs to be a balance for me.
I do like that Seasons 3 and 4, for all of their flaws (and 4 had massive flaws), tried to do their best to undo the darkness of the first season by restoring Starfleet and the Federation in the far future.
SPOILER STARTspoiler
Yes! "Tug your heartstrings before doing anything else" hits the nail on the head! They completely forgot the part where they actually have to earn it. When you try to make people care without putting in the legwork, it just builds resentment. Then they try to play it off like "he is now Saru's ward and an important part of Kelpian society or whatever the hell that was?"...a lazy " shit happens in space" would've been a better explanation than that tbh.I liked what they tried with the later seasons and the new federation too. However, I feel like they swung too far in the other direction from S1 where they got too scared to have actual stakes and started doing the transparent holywood thing of introducing new characters (or trying to give an old character more plot than they had in 4 seasons) in the first 10 mins of an episode, killing them off, then expecting you to care because characters you actually know liked them.
SPOILER ENDIt is a known issue
https://sopuli.xyz/post/18946660
Ah, thanks! It was driving me mad