Communism

2047 readers

244 users here now

Welcome to the communist Lemmy community! This is a community for all Marxist.

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

326

Protestation (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

102 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We don’t produce 1.5 times the food we need, as you said. We produce 100 times the food we need. Know why? To feed the billions of sentient animals that are tortured to death each year in factory abattoirs. Do you have any idea how sustainable that is? It’s not. So…

You’ve taken a roundabout way to tell me that mass adoption of veganism (literally the only way to save the environment) unfortunately has nothing to do with our economic system.

Every 3 calories of beef require at least 100 calories of legumes.
Worse still, the average water footprint per calorie for beef is twenty times larger than for cereals and starchy roots.
Add the methane and the nitrogenous runoff, and you have an ecological catastrophe.
If we ended animal agriculture, 75% of all farmland could be rewilded tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Voluptas sed aut ut porro eius dolor. Nobis optio eaque architecto. Possimus illum itaque harum nulla doloribus. Beatae fuga labore quo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

you’re arguing for a vote-with-your-wallet approach

You quoted someone else and then accused me of arguing for something I’m absolutely not. Did you reply to the wrong person? For the benefit of anyone who stumbles over this bizarre exchange, my question is super simple:

How will you convince 8 billion people to dramatically lower their standard of living?

Currently we are consuming about 2 earths worth of resources (if everyone lived like Americans it would be 20 earths). Obviously capitalism makes this worse, but the question remains. What then?

Once we abolish capitalism, this will raise standards of living. More people will want cars and air-conditioning and so on. More people will want to eat meat. So what’s the plan?

we are producing 1000 times the food we need

no we are not

You’re technically correct. It’s closer to 100, but my point stands.