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Same goes for all animals. Fuck zoos.
You have no idea how much zoos have changed, do you?
Just how many species couldve gone extinct without people working day and night to provide them with treatment, rebuild the species and help prepare them for returning to the wild.
I agree, and I've shared similar arguments before, but I think we should acknowledge that some zoos are still awful.
A comparison that is local to me:
Vancouver Aquarium, which was a non-profit (before it got sold) that did excellent research and rehab work. The nonprofit still exists and does good work, but I'm not as familiar with what the aquarium is like now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Aquarium
Marineland, see controversies section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marineland_of_Canada
Yeah Marineland was awful, I recall the constant ads as a kid but we never went. They could have become just an amusement park after the founder died in 2018, the falls is always packed, people would have gone, but the family decided to keep it.
I'm less interested in the abstract idea of a species and more interested in the individual. None of what you said justifies keeping them captive.
Ultimately it doesn't even address the core reason why species become extinct, and really just serves as PR for these entertainment venues.
Ever see a charity drive? Entertainers to pull in donations for helping the sick or needy? Zoos are basically that. They get a few injured or sick animals, or endangered species, make money on educating and viewing said animals, then use that money towards lobbying, research, and protection. Yes, some are stuck in a an enclosure, usually animals that would already be dead in the wild. However, they are helping other animals be rereleased in the wild, or protected by law, or understood so that the species can be saved in the future. Most in the US are nonprofit. Take Columbus for example. They not only have a zoo but a huge compound where the animals roam pastures in Ohio. Some of those animals were rehabilitated and returned to their home countries. Others are unable to survive without aid, and will chill out on that pasture until they eventually die. There are always greedy pricks who will abuse the nonprofit system (see also Columbus), but in the end they are providing a benefit to the world, and most people involved care for animals. So yeah, zoos aren't what they used to be, the small cages, barely fed, abused animals, sideshow entertainment spectacles. For one, laws in the US have become more strict, and two, humane societies and the WWF are very active in prosecuting and identifying bad faith actors. Oh and we could also get into how zoos are a great resource for helping veterinary medicine, zoological medicine, etc from within the US, rather than travel... I think you get it though.
Agree, but disagree.
Some animals cannot be returned to the wild.
If humans don't actively seek preserve nature, we will passively destroy it.
It's not great to have elephants in captivity. Or whales or any of the other large animals. (Some do much better in captivity though)
It's just if we want to preserve these animals, we need to have kids care about them.
Zoos take care of unreleasable animals, and they share nature to kids who would otherwise never see it. Those are the people and ideas who save these animals.
Yes. Not good. Better than death for an unreleasable animal. Better than extinction for the animal that does end up in a zoo to help that child make decisions that will save that species.
Maybe excepting the domesticated ones, we more or less stripped their ability to survive on their own