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[–] chris@lemmy.grey.fail 345 points 5 days ago (21 children)

I've been putting it off, because it took me more than a year to migrate away from Gmail. But this is hard to ignore. I'm tired, fam.

[–] chris@lemmy.grey.fail 51 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Though, I learned my lesson and bought my own domain. So this pivot should be better.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I would love to chat this through with you. I have some domains but honestly, Iʻve been told so many times to not roll my own..

[–] barnacles@lemmy.zip 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Do not run your own email server - highly recommend using your own domain though. Use a provider that lets you BYO your domain. Just make sure you get your MX records correct with your DNS provider, most email providers have documentation for this.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The hard thing about email is getting all your contacts to use your he address, it is not migrating your email history. So owing the domain is the most important thing you can do.

You do not have to own your email server, if you have the domain you can go wherever.

You do then have to defend your domain name, which means making sure it will not expire and is locked.

[–] AmyAye@nord.pub 3 points 5 days ago

One thing on anyone wondering for migrating mail history, Thunderbird works fine for this, Outlook actually also does is it, I want to say a bit better. You don't have to regularly use Outlook, but if you map both the old and new account you can drag and drop mail between them and it just works.

[–] chris@lemmy.grey.fail 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Likewise. I never plan to host my own email server. You can bring your own domain to Proton, at least.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

ngl, I feel very burried by the effort to "de-google". Like, Iʻm close, very close, and email is like the last thing to do (along with cloud backup).

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I started with cloud backup, it's going reasonably. I'm using something called Jottacloud which so far has been solid for me and has a lot of different types of backups. Migrated some-odd 25000 photos, slowly getting through the rest of my stuff on google drive. Soon I'll be below the 15g and switch to free it'll be great then I can work on the rest of degoogling

It takes so much work and feels impossible the entire time especially while all the rest of life keeps happening. One step at a time I guess

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[–] Australis13@fedia.io 20 points 5 days ago

Yeah, it's taken me a similar time to migrate away from Gmail and I'm not keen to repeat the process. But if this is what Proton's code quality control is going to be like going forward - employees forced to push improperly-tested code because of their unhinged CEO - I'm going to have to go through the whole process again. Sigh.

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fuck it. Let's make an easy open source email host and all the corpse can wall us out and we'll just email each other. Wait this sounds familiar.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 days ago

What do you mean? That idea is brand new!

[–] imminent_nebula@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I spent the day getting things set up to leave.

Pass went to KeePass, which was easier than I expected.

Drive is now replaced with Filen.io

Standard Notes is now Obsidian

Looking at AirVPN, but not ready to pull the trigger on that yet.

Still looking for a calendar. Thunderbird has one but it's not on mobile for some reason.

The big one is mail. I was the same as you migrating from gmail so I'm learning my lesson now. Set up Thundermail today and have 3 custom domains set up. Spent hours today swapping out account emails. It's rough, but I did it to myself. I knew going full Proton ecosystem was a bad idea, but at the time I just wanted out of Google. Take your time.

[–] chris@lemmy.grey.fail 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Baikal and any client that supports CalDAV, my friend.

[–] imminent_nebula@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Thanks, I'll give it a look. Self hosting is a huge learning curve for me, I hate network stuff lol.

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[–] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 days ago

Same exact situation. In fact I'm not even fully done migrating away from Gmail although most of my stuff is on Proton now. sigh I guess I'm starting all over again soon.

[–] dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I mean I believe you, but thoughts on this comment: reddit

Proton monitors employees' AI code generation"

This is also a distortion. Proton has a tool that labels which code is AI-generated and which is human-written, which is important for many reasons. It can't be used to evaluate how much AI somebody is using. The design document for the tool states this clearly. This document is available to all employees: r/ProtonMail - I’m a Proton employee and I'm breaking my silence The security point

The list goes on and on. Same with the security point. I have access to that chat. Andy never said don't do pen testing. It's true, he used shitty language and he personally apologized to the whole company. However in that same security chat he also said something 404 omitted: "The baseline is, we must do this plus be faster at the same time" in reference to security testing. r/ProtonMail - I’m a Proton employee and I'm breaking my silence

He agreed with the additional pen testing, and it was even recently implemented at Proton. What he didn't agree to was it slowing down the pipeline. About hiring engineers

This quote “this is the last year that we hire engineers” is also out of context. At Proton, the engineering and product management roles are merging and we call this new discipline "Product Engineering". Proton also mostly hires product managers with engineering backgrounds. It means we stop hiring engineers who just code, and hire instead product engineers who also exercise product judgment that AI doesn’t have, not that we don’t hire engineers at all. I know this because I help with hiring for the whole company. One last thing

I want to put a few words out there that aren't about quotes or screenshots, but about my experience.

To be honest to you, we're all in a bit of a shock after reading the articles written, and some of the criticism hurts me because it described a company I don't recognize. Reading the comments on Reddit hurts me because so many of them do not reflect reality. Proton is not rushing into AI without concern for safety, it is actually being done very carefully.

If you're deciding whether to keep using Proton, I'd just ask that you make that decision after getting the full picture, and not solely on the quotes that have been intentionally taken out of context. Otherwise, you are only hurting the workers that you claim to want to protect.

[–] boatswain@infosec.pub 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

For some reason your copy paste mangles the text, but the original seems to have some interesting context. I like 404, but it seems like they do as much click bait as anywhere else these days.

[–] Seralth@piefed.seralth.com 3 points 5 days ago

Internet journalism is about as yellow as classic journalism ever was. Its always been "click bait" always will be. lol

Gotta always take everything with a grain of salt and assume things are misrepresented either on accident or on purpose. Its a PITA but it is what it is.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The thread here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50317991 raises some valid concerns about the Reddit post in question. It explicitly even says its been approved by the company, so idunno. 404 Media has done a lot of legit exposés in the last few years. I'm inclined to trust journalists over the guy posting on Reddit with permission from Proton. The screenshots apparently included show Yen telling an employee to do damage control with their personal account on reddit, which really makes things look even worse, doesn't it?

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 days ago

I'm waiting to see if I'll start using it.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I canceled my renewal but I’be been putting off finding a replacement because what you said. It’s exhausting.

[–] aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I use fastmail. Super happy so far.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll look it up!

[–] perturbedstarstuff@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If I'd only put off de-googling a bit longer before I saw the news I could have skipped this hop. Oh well...

I'm eyeballing Tuta. Anyone have other recommendations?

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 days ago

I’d recommend an e-mail provider that supports custom domains, so you can easily switch at any time. I personally use Purelymail; I’ve also heard good things about Fastmail and Migadu.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 5 points 5 days ago

I've never quite finished moving all my domains to Proton from google, but I think I'm leaning towards infomaniak.com for now, on the Business plan with my and my brothers family using the service

[–] recursivethinking@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

$1/month for a custom domain. One last migration. And then moving platforms is much easier because you don't need to change the email on every service.

That said, I still hear you.

[–] andrewrgross@lemmy.today 3 points 5 days ago

I think I'm going to start using my own domain, so I can change hosts if needed without having to change email addresses. This seems like it's going to be an issue we'll always need to be prepared to deal with.

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