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pretty telling that first reation of some here can be summed with: what is really white?

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The semantical arguments about who counts as “white” already exist and often in very hate filled ways. Alt right “preserve the white race” people already try to bring back the pre world war 2 “Italians don’t count as white” nonsense. And of course tons of Italian Americans are certainly not known for progressive stances

So basically targets would shift?

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Don't forget that WASPs often excluded entire professions to what they considered 'lesser' whites and catholics and Jews.

Ben Shapiro once said that Jews might not be good at the NBA like blacks when he doesn't realize (or does but is lying) that Jews dominated basketball in the 1920s and 1930s. Ironically then as now racism played a role in stereotyping them. Since Jews were seen as crafty and intelligently sneaky this was seen as manifesting in the sport, which often does need deception to get ahead.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Well the Irish would not be white again.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

They could go further back and not count the Irish either

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The concept of whiteness comes from the Spanish inquisition after the fall of Grenada. Being fair skinned was a way of proving without a doubt that you weren't a jew or a muslim.

My guess is we'd start dividing up amongst religious heritage again. Mormons vs. Evangelicals Vs. Protestants Vs. Catholics Vs. The Real Christians

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Also the Spanish discriminated against Muslims who converted to Christian and doubted their faith as true. This was a generational thing since even their grandchildren were seen as suspect even if they and their parents were born and raised Catholic.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure but I don’t think the alt right morons on twitter recognize that. They just see olive skin and a name that ends in a vowel and go ew gross different

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Huh name that ends in a vowel? Having a hard time thinking of guys names but girls there are a fair amount.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Last name. Sometimes first name like Giuseppe or Luigi but more like Gotti, gambino, etc