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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What countries has she suggested?

[–] pasdechance@jlai.lu 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

When we first started dating in 2014 she really wanted to go to El Salvador or Colombia or Venezuela. Things have changed quite a bit in 12 years, and I wouldn't call them dangerous compared to France now.

Edit: I really shouldn't listen to my colleagues. I thought perhaps things people used to say about the countries listed above as examples were just stereotypes. My colleagues are misinformed, I was misinformed. They all seem more dangerous than France now that I've looked at some stats.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

An I misunderstanding what you're writing? Those all sound more dangerous than France to me.

[–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

When the hell was El Salvador or Colombia ever safe?

[–] pasdechance@jlai.lu 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I work with a lot of internationals. I think those countries are more dangerous, but my colleagues and other contacts have told me that things have improved to the point that they are all similar. I haven't ever looked into it. It could be a feelings thing: they live here and read the sensationalist headlines and assume France is more dangerous than their country of origin.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But like, Venezuela literally got bombed and had their President abducted.

[–] pasdechance@jlai.lu 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Excellent point. You don't have to convince me. I still think France is safer. But, back to the point of my comment: articles like this make people want to leave Europe, but they are misinformed.

[–] KexPilot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I agree. Yes, countries should always be prepared for crisis, but headlines like this... Man. I stopped reading media a while ago due to this, but I am still exposed to it sometimes via Lemmy.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

If you colleagues are Latin American, it is likely that their home countries are safer for them than France. But unless you are dark-skinned, that wouldn't necessarily apply to you.

[–] KexPilot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What in the holy hell am I reading, Colombia?? The country that is famous for gang crimes and such??? And so many upvoters even agree???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

20x homicide rate compared to France in recent years!

Edit: Venezuela "only" 10x, El Salvador is the only one that is somewhat close to France, but that one we all know why... Maybe safe for externals at this moment I guess?

[–] pasdechance@jlai.lu 6 points 1 week ago

Excellent find. I'm going to bookmark that and bring it up the next time my colleagues from those countries try to tell me to move there.