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The lone holdout juror in the trial of Lindsay Clancy has said he "didn't have any doubts" that she was criminally responsible for killing her three children.

"Based on all the physical evidence, key witnesses and what the prosecution presents, I thought it was enough proof that she knew exactly what she was doing and planned it," Michael Desronvil said in a statement to CBS News, the BBC's US partner.

The judge declared a mistrial on 4 September after the jury failed to reach a unanimous verdict following nearly 40 hours of deliberating.

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[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"I had reasonable doubt, but I don't like how it feels to challenge my own biases and I misunderstood or lied during jury selection, so no, I don't have reasonable doubt."

That's the summary of this man.

[–] j5y7@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I don’t care how any juror comes to their conclusion. Religious views, merit of the facts, an apparition came to them in a dream, it doesn’t matter (except for the case of tampering). Whatever their verdict, that’s it. The fact that this guy is being scrutinized for his verdict is alarming. They go through a selection and vetting process to get on that jury. Once they are on that jury, they can come to any conclusion for any reason. They don't need to explain their verdict. It's just guilty or not guilty. The court can implore them to follow the law, but that doesn’t mean they must. Even if they perjured to get on that jury, the perjury is a separate thing in of itself and sure, charge them, but they cannot be compelled to come to any particular verdict. If they could, then trial by jury would be nothing more than window dressing for authoritarianism.

[–] moonshine69@lemmy.nz 2 points 4 days ago

So this would work for you?

"She floats, so she's a witch, and all witches are guilty so she's guilty"

[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

even if they perjured to get on that jury

A criminal act to get on the jury should be disqualification from serving in said jury.

I don't care what leads a juror to their conclusion either, I care that the juror is actually supposed to be a juror.

[–] j5y7@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They should have stricken him during the vetting process.

After that, tough titties, can't be upset if you actually want a fair system that can't be influenced by outside forces.

If the juror didn't cooperate for other reasons, for instance, if the law was unjust or being applied unfairly, though still lawfully, you'd probably want a juror who isn't trying to be a juror.

As far as the criminal act to get on the jury, charge him. But if he wasn't vetted out, it's nobody's fault except the lawyers'.

[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I suspect you're arguing because you side with the juror, not because the logic is sound, and I have a problem with that, but let's stick with the facts.

But if he wasn't vetted out, it's nobody's fault except the lawyers'.

He perjured himself, as in, he lied, on purpose or otherwise. Lawyers aren't mind readers or psychics, you can't place complete blame on them because someone else commited a crime to get on the jury and they didn't catch it.

The system did exactly what it's designed to do, it mistrialed because a juror didn't follow the rules

The problem I have, and most people should have, is that because of one juror who didn't follow the rules we are extending the time, suffering, cost, and damages that shouldn't have happened.

They should have stricken him during the vetting process.

Yes! They should have, and because the juror SNUCK into the jury unfairly, it wasn't a fair trial.

He IS the problem. He started it. He made ALL of this worse. Not the lawyers, who could have done better, not the system, designed in the way that it is, not even the woman who murdered her children.

This is already an incredibly terrible thing, but people like the juror who lie to get what they want make it worse for everyone else.

Defending the person who commited a crime to make things worse because he wasn't caught early enough is just asinine.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago

But if he wasn’t vetted out, it’s nobody’s fault except the lawyers’.

This particular juror lied about his criminal history during jury selection. He shares culpability here.

[–] homosapien@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago

This guy is guilty for wearing sneakers, and you can't even question me. This is a totally perfect system and I can derail the whole case because this guys wearing sneakers