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Reading the wikipedia article of the case, she apparently expressed thoughts of harming her children to her husband and mother in December, but declined to be separated from them. Before and after that, she was allowed to refuse or terminate inpatient treatment, so she was deemed mentally competent to make her own decisions, and yet she failed to secure the children from what she believed was a dangerous environment. I'll hold both parents legally responsible for that. That's not a murder charge, that's something like child endangerment. It doesn't take a doctor's orders to have your parents take the kids for a little while because you're afraid something bad might happen.
The medical community also needs some consequences, and some changes. Their current move set is pretty limited, they 1. hand the patient their car keys and their pistol and tell them to go get 'em tiger, 2. Prescribe the brand name medication your exam room is wallpapered in ads for, 3. Wait for them to hurt someone and throw them in the hospital's brig.
Yes, she could have done plenty to save the kids and herself if her brain were working properly, which it was not. You're ascribing a level of logic and critical thinking to someone who was warning everyone around her that she wasn't capable of either.
If she was mentally ill enough to where she couldn't be held responsible for her actions, why was she allowed to refuse or check herself out of at least two inpatient care programs?
So she's sane enough to be let out of the hospital into her own custody but not sane enough to be held criminally responsible for murdering three children.
That's... that's what we're discussing. That the medical establishment failed her.
Yeah no. What we're discussing is the reluctance or refusal to hold women accountable for violent crime.
Why are you taking one woman, Lyndsey Clancy, and extrapolating that out to all women?
Because court proceedings establish legal precedent to be applied in the future.
This isn't the first time a mother has murdered her children due to postpartum psychosis.
Maybe you should read up all about how Randy Yates abandoned Andrea and their children to the same fate because he simply couldn't stop pumping her full of babies.
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I'm not even sure if I understand why you think punishing 1 woman is equivalent to punishing all women who commit violent crimes.
No no no, we're discussing why a person might not be criminally liable for their actions on the basis of an altered mental state.
When wasn't she in that altered mental state?
You expect me to answer a question about something that's *not public knowledge? That's something that would have been discussed during the trial and isn't related to any of my points.
The trial was to ascertain if she was in that state when she killed her kids and tried to kill herself.
Oh you clearly haven't looked into this case much at all. Lyndsey was well documented as a caring and attentive mother.
That is literally why she is on trial. That's why her doctors were called to testify. You seem to think psychosis only happens at certain times or can be predictable or something which is very far from the truth.
How is it unpredictable when she herself foresaw it? Lindsay Clancy said she thought she was going to hurt herself and/or her children. So everyone including herself decided to leave her unsupervised with her children. She killed them and paralyzed herself. Yeah, who could have fucking guessed that was gonna happen?
But she didn't want to hurt herself or her children. She was losing control of herself. She reached out for help to everyone in her circles. She told everyone she was losing grasp on reality.
So the question for the trial - Was Lyndsey Clancy in her right mind when she killed her children?
That's clearly a divisive question that even a jury made up of her peers couldn't completely agree on, though 11 of the 12 believe that there was enough reasonable doubt of that.
You might want to read up on psychosis to better understand that someone suffering from psychosis is not in control of themselves.
This specific hearing is about whether she was in her right mind during the fifteen or so minutes she was strangling her toddlers to death one by one, cutting herself and jumping out a window.
It's likely she'll be found insane for that. MY POINT IS she wasn't psychotic for eight solid months. There's plenty of criminal negligence here to do around.
She took amazing care of her children before the murders.