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Mainstream politicians express alarm while lead candidate in Saxony-Anhalt welcomes congratulations from Elon Musk

Mainstream politicians around Europe have expressed alarm after the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) swept to a historic state election victory in Germany, while nationalist figures cheered the result as a mandate for change.

While falling just short of an absolute majority, the AfD surged into first place in the Saxony-Anhalt state election on Sunday, exit polls ⁠showed, putting the far right within reach ​of power at ‌the state level for ‌the first time since the second world war.

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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Has anyone stopped to actually ask the people there why they voted that way or what they hope to achieve?

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 35 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Standard fascist playbook. They point to existing problems, and promise it's the fault of immigrants/minorities etc.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ultimately what needs to be done is to solve those existing problems. You get extremists like this when the people feel like there's something wrong that the "mainstream" politicians are unable or unwilling to fix.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Absolutely! The bigger problem is the "centrist" politicians are useless. Almost all politicians are wealthy class, not rocking the boat is in their interests. Most of the time they are part of the problem. So everywhere we end with the choice between parasites who'd rather do nothing and just profit off whatever corruption they can get away with, or parasites who equally profit from the system but are also nazis.

True change can only come from a bottom up movement, masses make demands so politics give in. NGOs, unions, student movements etc are the way to get our rights. We want rights, benefits, we need to ask for it properly, with strikes, protests, soup kitchens, activism. Worshiping power just makes us more miserable.

[–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

...soup kitchens and protests?!

"Destrouy The Current Awful Economic System From ....A SOup Kitchen! Nothing Is To BE Done!"

-Volademort Libin

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 1 points 3 days ago

No, volunteering and protesting won't destroy the system. You need a fight in many fronts. Reaching to people and building your community of dissidenta is key to that. You cannot have a revolution without solidarity.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So has public education been gutted in Germany like it has been in the US? Trying to figure out why people still fall for this.

[–] BlindPenguin@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago

Education alone doesn't prevent people from being mislead by propaganda. Everyone is vulnerable to it, even i am. The key is to recognise it and be open enough to change your mind if you get new information. That's one of the parts that's sadly missing for a lot of people. Other parts are lacking media competency, because apparently a lot of people are unable to determine whether a Youtuber with a name like "truthwarrier88" is a trustworthy source comparable to DW or whatever. And then there is the issue of Russian propaganda and American social media platforms refusing to moderate their cesspools due to a twisted sense of "free speech". Well, and i guess that Covid thing also fried a few brains...

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Propaganda works, it is highly effective. Scapegoating plays on human psychology very well. This will always work, there is no inoculation to protect society. You have to stop the behavior.

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

bernie sanders is not in any way a 'leftist'.

He's a liberal zionist for one. And also he has never said he wants to eternally end capitalism. He also works with AOCIA ...the same aoc who is ALSO a liberal zionist AND she takes money from Big Pharma companies to retell their lies.

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's a SocDem, so the most right-wing of the leftist spectrum. Always a disappointment.

[–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

You are CORRECT!

The socialist democrsts are one and the same in every part of the planet and in every part of history. They have never changed will never change. And so I will never trust them lol.

"Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!" Never forgive . Never forget.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Channel 5 released a video about them yesterday: https://youtu.be/l2SjWowpynY

It’s essentially the same playbook. The ones leading the movement are telling the people it’s the immigrants and LGBTQ+ people who are to blame. But when they are asked what is actually affecting them personally, it’s economic policy, affordability, etc.

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the capitalistic system that we have created makes it so easy to become a racist or even an interbalized racist as I wass . Not only do those in power (billionaires and multi millionaires) fund smear campaigns against minorities and 2SLGBTQIA+ people but this system we have put in place makes it very easy for the average worker to unconciouusly become "anti-minority" or even 'anti-anyone who isnt super rich' because those who hold the most capital or have hhad the ability to obtain the most capital have become very good at painting themselves as saints when they are the cause of most of the world's iniquities and we have fallen for it all. Its a self-sustaining system that has to.be completely , permanently broken up

"In keeping with their system-sustaining function, the major news media present reality as a scatter of events and subjects that ostensibly bear little relation to each other or to a larger set of social relations. Consider a specic phenomenon like racism. Racism is presented as essentially a set of bad attitudes held by racists. There is little analysis of what makes it so functional for a class society. Instead, race and class are treated as mutually exclusive concepts in competition with each other. But those who have an understanding of class power know that as class contradictions deepen and come to the fore, racism becomes not less but more important as a factor in class conflict. In short, both race and class are likely to be crucial arenas of struggle at the very same time. Marxists further maintain that racism involves not just personal attitude but institutional structure and systemic power. They point out that racist organizations and sentiments are often propagated by well-nanced reactionary forces seeking to divide the working populace against itself, fracturing it into antagonistic ethnic enclaves. Marxists also point out that racism is used as a means of depressing wages by keeping a segment of the labor force vulnerable to super-exploitation. To see racism in the larger context of corporate society is to move from a liberal complaint to a radical analysis. Instead of thinking that racism is an irrational output of a basically rational and benign system, we should see it is a rational output of a basically irrational and unjust system. By “rational” I mean purposive and functional in sustaining the system that nurtures it." -Michael PArenti

"In all regions studied here, incorporation into the capitalist world-system was associated with a decline in wages to below subsistence, a deterioration in human stature, and an upturn in premature mortality. In parts of South Asia, sub-Saharan Africa, and Latin America, key welfare metrics have still not recovered.  Where progress has occurred, significant improvements in human welfare began several centuries after the rise of capitalism. In the core regions of Northwest Europe, progress began in the 1880s, while in the periphery and semi-periphery it began in the mid-20th century, a period characterized by the rise of anti-colonial and socialist political movements that redistributed incomes and established public provisioning systems.". Capitalism and extreme poverty: A global analysis of real wages, human height, and mortality since the long 16th century  by Dylan Sullivan and Jason Hickel

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

The last part is relevant. For the underclass masses in the colonies, fascism was already there. So a different way to word the situation is that fascism is when settler-colonialism happens to the mass imperial class.

[–] ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They want the immigrants and the evil trans people out and more like it used to be.

Of course this is all rooted in bad economy and infrastructure, especially in east Germany. And the Afd is unfortunately really good at presenting easy solutions to hard problems by blaming minorities for everything. They do this very effectively via tiktok and other new media which the old parties have not been able to unterstand yet.

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

From what I've seen, especially in local elections, the AfD simply promises anything and everything people in that area want. For example, I was recently on holiday in a small town where AfD won. Small touristic town, lots of farmland, very rural. The usual problems: young people move away, only businesses connected to tourism thrive, basic infrastructure like supermarkets or doctors close down. Also water scarcity for farmers (hello climate change). The AfD program was this: we will stop young people from moving away by building a trade school. We will monitor the water levels. We will attract new supermarkets. Basically: we will solve every major problem. How? Who cares! But we're seeing all the problems and solving them. Some vague mentions of the federal government not doing their job, but they (the AfD members from a small town in bumfuck nowhere) will MAKE THEM give the town money and just solve all those problems.

Sure, other parties don't always listen to the voters. But at least you usual get the feeling they thought about what solutions are reasonable. AfD just lists all problems and says "We'll solve it all, trust me bro."

Not to forget their favorite word "ideolgy-free" which just translates too: You like something the way it is? You hate it when science finds out your favorite thing is bad for you/everyone? Don't worry. We won't make pesky laws to protect you, your neighbors or the air you breathe. Just keep doing the thing that's been proven to be harmful. Change and progress are always bad and we are the only ones that understand that.

[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Yes, because "they're eating the dogs", basically.

Facebook boomers and edgy incel youths.