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[–] febra@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

First and foremost, there's no such thing as a "communist country". Communism is a very late stage of socialist development when all class contradictions have been abolished. We don't know what that might look like, but the consensus is that we can't really talk about a country being communist but rather an overall state of the world.

Secondly, China has a fairly good grip over its billionaire class. They don't have the class power their class has in the US, Europe, or the rest of the western capitalist world. The capitalist class in China is subject to the wishes of the working class represented by the party with its over 100 million members.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

100% they have a class based system it's just not talked about.

They do have a bourgeoisie class and a peasent class.

They have doctors, lawyers, construction workers, government employees, billionaires and unprecedented wealth within families.

Then they have the peasant class the rice paddy farmers, the package sorters, the food delivery drivers, the minimum income workers living in cramped apartments and the unemployed.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yes, that’s why it’s not communist. But it is socialist, because the working class controls the government and holds the reins of the economy.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The 200 million rural farmers control the country!

No wait, the 400 million service workers control the country!

No wait, it is the 500 million middle class that control the country!

No wait, it is the 130,000 of the wealthy class that controls the country!

No wait, it is the 320 billionaires that control the country!

No wait, it is the 2,878 Congressional members that control the country!

No wait, it is seven leaders who control the country!

No wait, it is Xi who controls the country!

wacky shit, aint it.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, exactly like the working class in the US controls the government and holds the reins of the economy.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Except not. Tell me more about how ignorant you are about political economy theory and how China actually functions.

ohhhhhhhhhhh it’s evolved. I’m going off of an old system:

Class structure and earnings

In the last half century, China’s class structure has undergone a major transformation, evolving from a simple system of three socialist strata (cadres, workers, and peasants) in the pre-reform era to a hybrid class system mixing capitalist features with aspects of the previous socialist class system. The Chinese market-oriented reforms and the expansion of the private sector changed property relations and generated a class structure with striking similarities to that of other capitalist societies (Bian Citation2002). Previous research has adopted multiple approaches to understand the class dynamics and earnings in transitional China. Some research on urban China applies Goldthorpe’s neo-Weberian class theory to the Chinese context (Zou Citation2015) while others have adapted Wright’s neo-Marxist class framework to explain class-based earnings inequality (Li, Qin, and Chen Citation2012; Lin and Wu Citation2009). Lin and Wu (Citation2009) compared different class schema and concluded that a modified neo-Marxian class approach (albeit one that incorporated hukou) best captured the evolving class structure in transitional China. They also demonstrated that class has become the major source of earnings disparities among Chinese workers.

Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21620555.2021.1878019#d1e358

Hukou: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou

Hukou is incorporated into almost every Chinese socioeconomic and political system

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The capitalist class in China is subject to the wishes of the working class represented by the party with its over 100 million members.

LMAO. Do you actually believe that garbage yourself?

The simple truth is that China is the most efficient capitalist country in the world right now - they combine a totalitarian regime with a huge economy and an actual self-serving but smart understanding of capitalism. They are simply better at playing that game that the rest of the world.

What we don't see from the outside is to what degree becoming rich enables you to take influence on the political system. What we do see is that the Chinese "communist" (muhaha) party has an iron grip on the country, but also that they are strongly intertwined with what you call "the capitalist class" (i.e. rich parasites).

[–] febra@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

an actual self-serving but smart understanding of capitalism

Welcome to marxism-leninism. Socialist state building is about achieving progress for the people. That can mean building up production forces and engaging in capitalism, as long as the capitalist class is subject to the peoples wishes.

as long as the capitalist class is subject to the peoples wishes.

Yeah I think that's the part where you missed the news flash about the Chinese state.

[–] Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] febra@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In what way? There's nothing to cope about

[–] Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago

You know exactly what way.