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Risk is rising as big tech companies like Oracle — the ultimate financial source of the Ellison media empire — need to turn to the bond market for staggering sums to finance data centers.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 124 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Is it borrowed money or is it actually fictional non-existent money?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 49 points 5 days ago

I think it's both. They borrowed money on the future of AI.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Kind of an odd phrase, given that money as a concept is fundamentally both of those things at all times.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You know what? That's completely fair. We made it up, like the easter bunny.

[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 13 points 5 days ago

The easter bunny made up money too?

[–] spectrums_coherence@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

WHAT? eastern bunnies are made up? you cannot just drop that on a innocent stranger?!

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Oops. I-i mean San- nope. I - pay me no attention I'm just a crazy person on the Internet.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 5 days ago

Don't worry, it will be real money when you have to pay your part.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Or is it money that has now been turned into fictional non-existent money, because it was stolen from our own future, where it was previously being held (we thought) safely in trust for us. They're stealing the money from us. From our taxes, from our government funds and institutions, from our pensions. It's our money. At least it nominally was, before all this happened. We're being looted. The robbers are in our vault, they are packing our money into bags labelled "AI" as we speak.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago

Both is the same. The only difference might be who is holding the bag in the end.

The money being spent to build data centers, buy equipment and electricity is real. The fact that openAI owe softbank $40bn is real.

The future returns from these present day expenditures are imaginary. Whether softbank get their loan back is speculative. Equity raises are even more so.