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    [–] frostlytt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    favorite: chimera linux <3 currently using: gentoo least favorite: ubuntu

    ever since i tried to apt install firefox and was instead given the snap version without even being asked permission i gave up on ubuntu then and there

    [–] i_love_FFT@jlai.lu 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Ever since snap arrived, I switched to Debian.

    The only thing I dislike about Debian is that there is no "server/headless install image" available, so it's not a big deal.

    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

    I'm spinning up a vm right now just for you, but I think the netinstall allows bare, DE less

    https://imgur.com/a/3OWiULh

    https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

    EDIT : I did a dump of the 200+ packages it has, but IDK how to get it out of there... oh wait.

    EDIT 2 :

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    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

    @i_love_FFT@jlai.lu

    I modified my reply, here's the rest of the packages.

    spoiler

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    I think you can also just uninstall them.... or not.

    WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
    This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
      perl-base
                                                               
    Summary:
      Upgrading: 0, Installing: 0, Removing: 112, Not Upgrading: 0
      Freed space: 249 MB
    
    Error: Removing essential system-critical packages is not permitted. This might break the system.
    

    IDK. I've done enough with this stuff for a bit.. and I am able to say I tried out DWM to post this after :D

    [–] notsle@kzoo.to 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    @i_love_FFT @frostlytt you quite literally just uncheck Desktop when installing and check ssh server.
    Also if you dont set a root password your user gets sudo. if you do set a root password sudo is not installed

    [–] i_love_FFT@jlai.lu 1 points 2 days ago

    That's probably like when I look for my cellphone and don't notice it's on my hands...

    A few weeks ago I installed Debian on my old computer and i swear I couldn't find these options!