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[–] abc@suppo.fi -2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Linus is severely mistaken that Linux is not a “social warrior” project,

What the fuck are you talking about?

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

FOSS is inherently political, it's about whether or not you should have complete control of something you own. That's a political stance.

Everything anyone cares about is political.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'd say FOSS is not more political than paying taxes. FOSS is just another way of using the copyright law enforcement without which FOSS cannot exist. If no copyright law enforcement is in place, then the GPL license wouldn't have power. So FOSS is just another way a law abiding citizen may use their rights/entitlement and perform their obligation with copyright law like how they have right/entitlement and obligation from taxes.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

FOSS is not more political than paying taxes.

If we're including the other option, not paying taxes, then I agree. The choice of whether or not to use FOSS is as political as the choice of whether or not to pay taxes.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Coming back here from another discussion, I do find it funny now that a legal entity can choose to not pay taxes but a human cannot avoid that in any reasonable way

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 14 hours ago

I mean you can if you're rich enough. But yeah.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 1 points 15 hours ago

That is a good point

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

FOSS cannot exist under capitalism, as it is quite literally the definition of Marxist Praxis. Linux is quite literally the single most wide spread and successful example of communist production in world history. It is, by its very existence, a "social warrior" project.

[–] abc@suppo.fi 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Then why did almost all of FOSS predominantly start in capitalist, free market economy countries?

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] abc@suppo.fi 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Russia: a tsarist autocracy.

China: an imperial monarchy.

Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, North Korea: colonial or agrarian societies.

Cuba: Batista's corrupt military dictatorship.

Has communism actually ever risen from a free market capitalist country? The other way happened a lot. Marx was definitely wrong about this one.

As for FOSS, I believe the key is personal freedom, not the economic system that much. Linus just did what he wanted to do and he didn't need any permission.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 12 hours ago

See that's what's confusing about it. He's saying one thing and doing another.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Why? The proof that linux exists under capitalism already proves your point does not hold

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Linux, in fact, does not exist under capitalism. The Linux Foundation does not own capital. It does not pay taxes. Value is neither rented nor extracted from the workers who fully retain all ownership of the labor value of the product of Linux. The same way a commune can exist despite capitalism also existing, it does not mean that commune exists under capitalism.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Hmmm, I guess it depends on what you mean by capital. Because The Linux Foundation certainly has assets that they could donate to other FOSS project

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 3 points 15 hours ago

The actual definition of capital. By the people that invented the term. A resource that is rented to another in exchange for part or all of the value generated by that resource. The Linux Foundation, being a non-profit, does not own any capital whatsoever, otherwise they would lose their non-profit status.