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Europe prepares to go it alone as Trump returns to war in Iran (www.politico.com)

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Donald Trump’s declaration at the NATO summit that the U.S. had returned to war with Iran didn’t lead to the usual gasping allies or perplexed officials.

If anything, it cemented Europe’s increasing reliance on itself.

As motorcades sped out of Ankara’s presidential place and down the barricaded streets ringing the Turkish capital on Wednesday, a half-dozen European officials said the ceasefire’s end only stiffened their resolve to be less dependent on the American militarily and stand alone.

“After seeing what’s happening in Iran and Ukraine, we first of all, have to build our own military might, and then everybody will respect us: Americans, Russians, Iranians or Chinese,” said a European official. “The more muscles you have, the less political anger you show.”

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[–] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes it is dangerous, but at the same time it's kinda short-sighted or maybe even delusional not to prepare for an invasion from a country that has time and time again claimed to want to invade you, not even acknowledge that you should exist and even has multiple times gone through with the threats towards other countries.

Though there are good examples of how this process can be halted. Like EU, up until ww2, war was the norm between different nations in Europe. Only after ww2 most countries in Europe started to go through the trust building process to avoid war and European Union was created. Russia hasn't gone through that process, the opposite even. Time and time again it has proven it can't be trusted.

[–] LeoDalPozzo@infosec.pub -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What you are saying is misleading from many pojnts of view:

Russia never stated they want to invade europe, quite the opposite. You can think they are lieing, and that's an opinion,but who is saying that Russia will invade europe any moment is mostly the EU. We have reports from the secret services of Poland, the US and other european countries that sat Russia is definitely not preparing an invasion. These reports are vert underreported in western media, but they are easy to find in specialized media.
your second statement is false. The concept of "never again" related to wars came out after WWI, not the 2. Seems a small detail, but it's not. Also, the european union is not a political entity, but purely commercial. The political part was never really developed (despite the promises). In fact the articles of reciprocal defense are very weak.
while the trust in Russia is subjective and i can even agree with you, it's a much weaker point when your main security partner is the US... Also, you don't need to trust Russia to understand that they will not attack NATO, it's enough to take a break from the very partisan info bombardement we receivr every day and look at the geopolitics and geoeconomics.

[–] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They often enough blamed to not wanting invading a lot of nations which were later (checks notes) invaded by (checks notes again) Russia. How and why should anybody trust Russia in that case?

[–] LeoDalPozzo@infosec.pub 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I see your point, but i don't think that alone is a reason strong enough, or nobody should have any trust in the USA as well. On the exact same premises.

[–] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago

Dependence comes at a cost, when the EU relies on American military or economic benefits, it's harder to criticize the decisions. Same goes for Russia and the dependence on gas and China and the dependence on cheap labor, goods and resources. Co dependence can be good to keep peace, one sided dependence, not so much.