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[–] tacoplease@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So they're actually only a little better than a religious theocracy like Iran. Different processes and paths but similar results.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a very layered statement to respond to and depends on personal weighted values that I can't adequately answer.

Not in the defense of Iran's theocracy because there's no defending it and they openly say that they're a theocracy, but more about perspective:

Israel claims to be secular and equal, yet -

  • marriages can only go through religious council (to maintain apartheid and "blood purity" as literally described by their politicians).
  • requests to open schools, civil societies, non-profits, etc. by anyone who isn't Jewish Israeli are rejected (so effectively there's reliance on Israeli Jewish institutions for many things from jobs to education to civil support)
  • if you're in an Arab neighborhood or town it is heavily under-served and the police purposefully turn a blind eye towards criminal activity (sometimes catch and release when they discover what neighborhoods the criminal is active in)
  • religious minorities experience violence and hate (both subtle and obvious) and have little to no recourse for justice.
  • their expansionism and colonialism is heavily fueled by religious zealots - so the supposedly secular state is enacting genocide for religious zealots but also claims to be secular.

So it's hard to determine if it's a little bit better. Some might argue it's worse.

[–] tacoplease@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nonetheless, it's essentially a theocracy. Iran vs Israel is allegorically like Abel and Cain, sharing the same root source but with enough differences to want to kill each other.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

I think framing it in religious terms is a bit too dismissive and lacking in depth. It's the exact framing that Israel has perpetuated on purpose so western audiences could be dismissive or find it too complicated to care about.