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[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

There would have been no genocide in the modern view if it weren't for those crass, profit seeking, and bloodthirsty Europeans that invaded. They really need to take the responsibility for their actions. And the bulk of that genocide occurred before the US existed because the diseases those Europeans brought to the Americas that the existing inhabitants had no immunity to.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Yep. The genocide stopped the second the USA declared independence. It did not continue for even a second after that, and there wasn't a single other genocide since then.

Truly perfect comment to write on July 4th. Uncle Sam would be proud of you. If you also massacred a bunch of children, that is.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

No it did not. And I never said it did. But the actions of those Europeans that colonized the Americas, (and anywhere else they set foot), are still felt yet to this day. And those Europeans have massacred their share to children also. They just sweep that part under the rug. They even added to the lexicon of war by giving us WW1 and WW2.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Right, the genocide definitely stopped in 1776. Yup. That was the end of it. Mhm.

Oh, this? No no, that's nothing, don't look at that

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago

I never said that it did. But the European powers never stopped their genocides due to colonizations either. The apple seldom falls far from the tree. But the Europeans seldom get the credit for all the things they did to bring the world to this point.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Genocide requires intention, the ginormous loss of life because of diseases is not, in a legal sense, a genocide. Not arguing that Europe colonizing the Americas wasn't like a genocide, in some places it certainly was β€” but the people dying of disease is not a genocide, more like a mass-extinction event.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That is certainly a comfort to all those that died.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Probably not but a word like genocide shouldn't be watered down, especially not if there are currently genocides happening intentionally in Palesta, Sudan and Xinjiang.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They really need to take the responsibility

The people that colonized the americas died a long ago lmao

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They did die a long time ago. But the effects of their colonial actions reverberate down through history.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

The point is that they can't take responsability if they are dead

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

You're almost there. Do the living bear responsibility "unto the 7th generation"-- to steal a butchered quote from the Christian bible-- for acts of the dead? Or do we all need to leave the dead to themselves and concentrate on the sins of today instead.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Exactly, don't look at me! It was already like that when I got here!