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[–] the_strange@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Here's a visualization of the birth rates of Japan, Poland and Germany against those of South Korea:
https://georank.org/birth-rate/japan/south-korea
https://georank.org/birth-rate/poland/south-korea
https://georank.org/birth-rate/germany/south-korea

Japan and Poland have been stable, maybe slightly declining, since the early 2000s, and Germany has been stable for 50, all below replacement, whereas South Korea is still going down.

I am no demographic expert, so take this with a grain of salt, but for the moment it doesn't look like the other countries are going to hit the same problems at the same severity anytime soon whereas South Korea is going to get hit by the full force of their demographic issues within a few short decades.

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Far from comprehensive, but a good primer.

The problem is similar to climate change. The effects of today will ripple several decades into the future, and people everywhere are more short-sighted than they would like to think, you and me included. Our brains are built for hunter gatherer lifestyles, sensing urgency in actions that will come back to us in 40-50 years just isn't how we are programmed. Germany is already entering the danger zone, the effects won't be stark for another 30 years or so perhaps, but if we delay much then there will be nothing to do to counterbalance it effectively. Demographic collapse is an issue that is way past mitigating by the time it becomes an acute problem. An ounce of prevention is not a pound or even a ton of cure, it's the only cure. And when it starts to hit noticeably, that means you are just going over the side of the waterfall and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Korea is just starting to tip over the edge of the waterfall, in 5-10 years it is going to get much worse.

The takeaway from the meme isn't that we are overreacting to their situation, it's that we are underreacting everywhere else. The real insidious issue is that in most nations having this problem, society largely panders to its politically active and (comparitively) wealthy elder base, and the best way to boost the birth rate is to shift support from them towards the young, which is politically problematic. So we are stuck in a situation where those with power have to act against their interest, in order to avoid problems that will happen far later than our brains are hardwired to care about. In short, the prognosis is very bad. Imho, the only chance most western nations have is watching things get very ugly for the elderly in Asia, and using that to scare their constituents enough to convince them that short term sacrifice is needed to avoid similar conditions for themselves. But I'd say it's a long shot.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 1 day ago

Japan and Poland have been stable, maybe slightly declining, since the early 2000s

I just checked Poland and it's not what they are reporting:

https://forsal.pl/gospodarka/demografia/artykuly/9811360,gus-potwierdza-to-rekord-dzietnosc-spadla-nizej-niz-kiedykolwiek-wcz.html

Number of births:

Birthrate:

Systematically falling for the last 10 years. Yes, it was better before that but experts say it doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. But I guess we'll see.

Those are data from GUS, the official statistics bureau of Poland.

[–] stenAanden@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago

I am truly convinced after seeing line go down.