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[–] Tm12@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I disagree with the decision of taking the criticism, and not so sure I can even accept it. Mind you my position may be considered extreme.

How do you not blame the populace for the failings of a so-called democracy? Same thing in USA. Sure, not all voters are pro-Trump, but collectively the action or in-action resulted in whatever the fuck we have going on is.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

It's a nuance or what exactly you condemn. Being Israeli isn't strictly a factor everyone can control and resenting people for their place of birth is unfair. Even if the two were perfectly interchangeable, the choice "Zionists" shifts the focus from "who" to "what for". The repulsive trait is genocidal ambition, not nationality.

It's also a question of scope: "Zionists" includes non-Israeli Zionists.

[–] lena 22 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Sure, not all voters are pro-Trump, but collectively the action or in-action resulted in whatever the fuck we have going on is.

Right, why would that justify making the claim that every voter in a "democracy" is a fascist? (I'm aware you already said that not all voters are pro-Trump, but @carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone's comment said that every Israeli deserves to die, which is the part that I disagreed with) There are certainly good people in every country of the world, and making any kind of generalization that makes it look like the majority's opinion is the opinion of the entire populace is disingenuous and dangerous.

[–] Tm12@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago

Point taken. Thank you for explaining.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago

If you had a building with 1000 evil people, and 1 good person, is it ok to destroy it? I don't know the answer to that, but I wouldn't be able to do it personally. Seems like a variant of the trolley problem.

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

OK but let's dig into the semantics of this. Would you offer the same criticism of someone who quipped about "all men being dangerous?" How about "All republicans are fascist?" Surely not all Republicans; hell, George Conway has built a new media career as a non-trump republican. Or can we agree that browbeating people for not accounting for granular differences when discussing broad trends in a casual setting is kinda dickish? Also per jpost 90% of Israelis consider themselves Zionist; I'm sure the 10% aren't going to quibble at generalizations.

[–] lena 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Would you offer the same criticism of someone who quipped about "all men being dangerous?"

Yes, a man didn't choose to be a man. A republican sure did choose to be a republican, which is a, to put it lightly, dubious choice in this day and age, but I still wouldn't say all of them are fascist.

Saying that all Israelis should die a painful death is still kinda crazy, and I don't think it's "dickish" to point that out.

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

It's not just crazy. It is itself arguably advocating for genocide

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

Yeah, lemmy absolutely hates when you imply that voters may actually be responsible for the consequences of their voting or non-voting. Not a lot of people took a civics course in here. And the loudest voices clearly have no idea how the US federal government works at a fundamental level. It's fun here.