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[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

so they shouldnt aspire to being better got it.

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No they should, that's exactly why they should ditch the tainted words of liars. You can strive for these things without clinging on to a rose tinted past.

Your nationalism is exactly why you are stuck struggling like his. It needs to die already.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I was hoping to instill a moment of self reflection into you. but clearly that didnt happen.

The words / aspirations coming from a flawed group of men don't demean the nature of those aspirations. It simply means some things transcend cultures/generations. And I will note a fair number of the men involved in that whole process did aspire to them and wrote against slavery, for allowing women to vote, and other such things that align with your world view. surprise LGBTQ+ existed in the 1700s as well!

Nor do they necessarily invoke nationalism you're railing against.

You can strive for these things without clinging on to a rose tinted past.

what percisely is 'rose tinted past' about this paragraph? and which parts do you disagree with? be specific now.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

On the one had you're 'yes of course they should aspire to the meaning of those words' and on the other your harassing an individual whose invoking them in the hope of inspiring people to actually live up to them.

Your nationalism is exactly why you are stuck struggling like his. It needs to die already.

America's*** not mine. see the distinction there?

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Focus on the future and building a better world

Did you miss that part?

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

no, it was irrelevant to their harassment of the person they were replying to. they were simultaneously attacking the person accusing them of essentially being an idiotic nationalist for literally espousing the exact same position. Trying to claim the moral higher ground for literally identical positions is fucking retarded.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What do you think "harassment" means?

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 days ago

you're capable of using a dictionary. pick which ever definition you feel fits best. their intent was very clear from the get go. They were never interested in being a decent interaction.