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[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

I mean, what if the Bad People are Nazis

[–] mech@feddit.org 33 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

Unpopular opinion:
Universal human rights apply to all humans, including Nazis.
Dehumanizing people and denying them their human rights is what Nazis do.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (18 children)

Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else.

But if the governments don't punish them for their actions then don't be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, would happen to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs.

[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

A right is something you can claim for yourself. "Being punished for your actions" is not a right. I'd even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn't be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go.

That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis.

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[–] desra@lemmy.vg 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own.

Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It's an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves.

We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you're harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign.

I'll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me.

[–] mech@feddit.org 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (15 children)

Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance.
And it's not high road shit.

When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense.
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups.
Also, fund organisations that help people trying to get out of the Nazi community.

The problem we have isn't that those measures aren't enough.
It's that we don't even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago

When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups.

This. Does. Not. Work.

[–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn't have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead?

This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers.

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Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas...

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

"Universal" human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another's rights.

Done and done.

It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It's inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them?

[–] s@piefed.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Except it's not because killing them isn't the only option

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Listen, you don't convert a nazi. Some can come out of it on their own when the right support is present, but here's the thing: I'm not obligated to help someone who's ideology expressly wishes for my death. Until they're not a nazi by both their own and others metrics they're an existential threat that should be eliminated with extreme prejudice by any means possible. If that's reeducation, fine, but that largely doesn't work. When something is actively trying to kill you right now, today, then you fucking kill it back. Especially when it's trying to kill you because your skin is darker or you're queer or your junk doesn't match your gender. I'll stop wanting them dead when they stop wanting me dead.

[–] s@piefed.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

What is your method to eliminating the active concentration camps posthaste?

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Doesn't seem like a very unpopular opinion tbh

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

If you push back on "punch a nazi" you'll find how unpopular it is quite quickly

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

We are pushing back on "kill everyone accused of being a nazi".

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[–] mech@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Without context, it isn't.
As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell.
Same with my anti-war stance.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Context is critical though. Often times I see people say things like "we shouldn't stoop to their levels" which, like yeah, we shouldn't have to.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The moral high road is filled with corpses.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn't have to, but things have been allowed to get too far out of control, the political left have not pushed back enough and now we've got people doing nazi salutes out in the open. We are past the point of being able to deal with this to the legal system because the legal system has been co-opted.

I don't know what people like you want. How do you want this situation resolving because all you ever say is what you don't want, you don't want violence, okay fine so how do you want to proceed?

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

Lmao why do you think there are corpses filling it?

they're too busy playing by the rules and getting killed with nobody caring, because "we're better than all that" is a dumb notion that ultimately makes you a pushover that wouldn't pull the trigger to save 1000 people.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

As soon as I post it in a thread about Nazis doing Nazi shit, I get downvoted to hell.

Gee, I wonder why

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[–] gurty@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

“Everyone I don’t agree with is a nazi therefore I am justified”

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's the flipside, but also, some people are Nazis

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Yeah, Musk and Thiel both went to Nazi grooming schools In Apartheid South Africa.

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[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

A fucking lot of them these days.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

this is a poorly cropped repost from tumblr, there is no critical thinking here.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Which is funny because if people listened to what you said and followed your instructions, then there literally would be no critical thinking here. Whereas if you choose to utilize critical thinking, you would not actually dismiss this thing entirely simply because it came from Tumblr because that is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well.

And if all it took to stop critical thinking for anybody was just saying, oh it comes from a bad place, then nobody would ever really do any critical thinking, right?

So let's ignore where it comes from and talk about the topic that's actually being presented, ok?

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