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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So would you support the idea of ethno-states in general?

Not in general. When I was younger I didn't have a problem with there being a Jewish state, but I didn't think it was a necessity. I didn't think there would ever be large numbers of people becoming antisemitic. Sure there'd always be some white power losers, but not any significant movement based around antisemitism.

The antisemitism I've seen since October 7 has changed my mind. The attacks on synagogues, Jewish businesses, and harassment campaigns against Jews (there's even campaigns against holocaust museums) has convinced me that something akin to 1930s Germany can happen again. During that time Jews try to flee but no country would accept Jewish refugees.

It's a sad state the world is in today. Antisemitism is happening, we know it's connected to this "anti-zionist" movement, but people pretend it's not happening out of political expedience.

Leftists have always had a weakness towards anti-semitism (the old greedy capitalist Jew stereotype) as has the far right. In 1930s Germany the leftists and fascists joined together over their shared hatred of Jews. BTW, read about the night of the long knives if you want the biggest "leopards ate my face" moment in history, things didn't go well for the socialists once they were no longer useful to the fascists. Something to think about when you're rubbing shoulders with violent people that hate Jews.

History doesn't repeat itself but is sure does rhyme. We're in a dangerous time and we know antisemitism is a real force in radical politics on both the left and right, as much is you deny it because it's inconvenient to your narrative.

The need for a Jewish state is a indicator of a failure of humanity. It's sad that it has to be this way. Just as I wish that racism didn't exist at all, I wish there didn't need to be a Jewish state. But unfortunately racism does exist, and antisemitism is on the rise along with radical politics in which it is embedded. We've seen this story play out before.

I'll do what I can to make sure my country (Canada) will not repeat the mistakes it made in the past when asylum was not granted Jewish refugees from Germany. Recent statements by Mark Carney gives me some hope that at least Canada has learned from the past. But the constant attacks on synagogues in my country make me feel like the efforts by those that have read a history book may not be enough. So there needs to be a country of last resort for Jews.

This is not how I want the world to be, I'm just recognizing the reality of the world we're currently living in.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

So you're saying the Jews need their own space as a matter of survival? I think the Germans had a word for that: lebensraum.

The reality of the situation is that zionists have spent the last four years systematically exterminating the population of Palestine through a combination of direct violence, terror, and apparently a coordinated effort to cause mass starvation.

In the last year, they've moved on to Lebanon and Syria.

Conflating Zionism and semitism won't make me think the atrocities being carried out right now are okay. I will remain an anti-zionist. You might convince me to become an anti-semite, though.

Edit: to clarify, this isnt a Jewish problem. The problem is being caused by the political entity we know as Israel, not the ethnic group we call Jews. Now both the political entity we call Israel, and actual anti-semites, have a vested interest in conflating the two.

[–] huey_m@reddthat.com 4 points 13 hours ago

So I'd repeat my follow up question: aren't there quite a few peoples who could claim ongoing discrimination as a justification for founding an ethnostate? Should the Roma in Europe be given an ethnostate? Why do you only extend this to Israel? The Roma face far more open discrimination in Europe today, measurably. Should Europe hand them land that doesn't belong to Europe in India because that's their ancient ancestral homeland?

Heck, look at the anti-Islamic rhetoric and attacks that have happened post 9/11... doesn't this, using your reasoning, justify the existence of an Islamic State?

I don't think you can fight racism with more racism, and ethnostates by definition require some degree of racism. All you do is encourage more racism, and I think quite clearly this pans out as the rise in antisemitic views has directly coincided with the actions of Israel. Or you'll have to walk me through how they don't... if ethnicity is an institutional dividing line within a state, you necessarily have to engage in racism to uphold it.

(Also not sure what you're referencing in the Night of Long Knives... I really hope this isn't an oblique National Socialists are socialists reference, because that would be pretty ridiculous. Even the Strassers, while you can certainly argue had some socialist ideas informing them, were not really traditional socialists. National Socialism was a distinct movement from socialism, and the latter never really aligned themselves with fascists, they were actively bleeding fighting them).