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Hahaha the leftists have purity tested MAMDANI out of their circle. You can't make this shit up, Lemmy
Mamdani would be like a center left politician in Europe. I guess for most Americans anything slightly to the left of a Hillary Clinton is the limit of the left spectrum.
Which left wing European governments are building state-owned grocery stores?
Anything that isn't a total leninist commie is "center left". I love it! You guys are so funny it's sad. Once again, the left proving is exclusively good at one thing and one thing only: purity testing the left.
Also, I live in Europe. Mamdani is a boiler plate leftist here. Nothing you said is true.
The word "left" is extremely fluid on Lemmy, it seems. When Mamdani is campaigning, it's a big tent word and Mamdani is definitely on the team. After the campaign, when the purity testing begins, "left" has strict leninist parameters in must adhere to. It's fun, isn't it
Ehhh, this isn't half as true as it used to be (lived on both sides of the Atlantic extensively, am currently in central Europe). The majority of Europe is as firmly neoliberal as America is ideologically. We have a more robust welfare state, and some of us have some better labor laws, but the core ideals of neoliberalism rule nearly the entire subcontinent with real, old school socialist parties (that are actually still holding socialist views) don't really have any more power than they do in the US. They get a bit more just by virtue of parliamentary systems, but their actual size and influence is almost non existent in most countries here.
Europe is in decline. It used to have people much to the left of Mamdani who implemented the socialist policies, but neoliberalism has been slowly eroding all of Europe and it is turning into the USA.
That is why Mamdani is now center-left in Europe. In the past he would just be a centrist or even center-right with his current policies. Everything is relative.
Compare Mamdani for example to Mechelon in France and Mamdani is clearly far to his right.
Well yes, but that's my point, this trend has been global since the 80's with Reagan and Thatcher. Continental Europe held out longer, but even here it pretty much rules the day. A lot of Americans have a very, very misinformed view of what politics here look like thinking it much more to the left, and that just hasn't been the case for arguably a few decades. There's a few issues we're even to the right of Americans on. Sure, there are some holdouts, but not many that have impacted politics much in recent history.
Of course but the argument is that Mamdani is nowhere near the edge of leftism. Politicians with far more leftist policies than him have existed and succesfully implemented many. It is not a mythical pipe dream.
In the last two decades in US politics? Like who? Name one
Try thinking outside of the two party system.
Yea? What have they "successfully implemented" in the US?
Nothing because you keep yelling at them to vote for Hillary
Ah ok. Sounds like they didn't implement anything then. So we're just making stuff up now. Gotcha.
Do you think the US is the entire world?
This thread is about US politics. Go back to the first question I asked you. Also, Mamdani is in the US. I don't know why we need to constantly pivot. I guess, on a global scale "akshually mamdani is center-left gosh". Like, what an asinine useless take. Let me know when the rest of the world is ready to vote in us politics.
Definitely agree with that. I'd say he's near the edge of politicians currently in an actual elected position in the US, but that's about as far as it goes. Even in the US, there have been politicians further left in power historically. Absolutely no pipe dream.
Who was more far left than Mamdani in the last two decades? Can you give an example?
"Historically" being the key word here... the political landscape of America, and frankly the western world, changed after the 80's shift to neoliberalism via Reagan and Thatcher.
Ok. That's a nice analysis to have for the history books. The US electorate can't remember what happened 6 mos ago. Can we take this win with Mamdani? Can we take this one win please? Can we not purge him yet? Is that ok? I understand he's not the perfect leftist. I get it. Can we just take this and work with it?
My friend, you are very much barking up the wrong tree here. And I don't blame you one bit, there is a ton of what you're describing here and it is very frustrating, but you've misunderstood me to be saying something I'm not. I think it's helpful to know historical context to know that even more leftism is not only possible, but has happened... but I think Mamdani is still a huge win in this current political climate and I think attempts to tear him down are almost laughably self-defeating from anyone considering themselves on the left.
Fully agree with you man, we should take the W here as a much needed shift left of the Overton window....
I'm sorry if my tone sounded harsh. It was mainly addressed for the rest of LEMMY that can't seem to understand how to build electoral power and move the goddamn overton window - LIKE AT ALL.
THANK YOU
No worries, dude, I'm with ya... I completely understand the disillusionment, but people touting the death of electoralism that think they're really being revolutionary, IMO are being useful idiots for the elite. And its definitely rampant here... I'm back and forth on whether to stick around, honestly.
It's so exhausting. The revolutionary cosplay is dialed to a ten. Every day I open Lemmy you'd think the streets are about to run red with blood of landlords any minute... Then I remember these are the same neckbeard basement dwellers masturbating each other on leninist theory while Marx looks down in disgust... Ugh
This is all vibes. You have no idea what you're talking about.