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Capitalism seems so inevitable to us that we sometimes fail to notice its explanatory power. In this case, it’s staring us right in the face. The incentive structures of capitalism run counter to those of child-rearing — and as market logics pervade deeper into every aspect of our society, the business of having babies makes increasingly little business sense.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

If the problem is capitalism why is China’s birth rate so low?

None of the replies got it right except the person who deleted theirs saying it’s women having opportunity and education. (And also birth control.)

I know that if I was given the choice not to squeeze a watermelon out of me just because I wanted to bump hams I’d take it every time.

[–] Jaderick@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

“In the CCP's view, China is not a capitalist country because despite the co-existence of private capitalists and entrepreneurs with public and collective enterprise, the state holds a monopoly on all land ownership and a primary ownership stake in the economy's largest and strategic enterprises, while the party retains control over the state and the direction of the country.[1] However, many scholars consider the Chinese economic model as an example of authoritarian capitalism,[14][15] state capitalism[16] or party-state capitalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy#%3A%7E%3Atext=In+the+CCP%27s+view%2C+China%2Centerprises%2C+while+the+party+retains

[–] expr@piefed.social 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

China is capitalist, even though they pretend not to be.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago
[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

China has a population of 1.5 billion people.

[–] hypna@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

And it's fertility rate is 1.22.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yes and their government is still concerned about the declining birth rate. By 2050 there will be less than two working adults for every elderly person which will cause huge economic strain.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

State capitalism is still capitalism with extra work.

[–] hypna@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

The example in the article is a comparison between east and west Germany, where the east had significantly higher TFR. The author attributes it to better socialized childcare services and more egalitarian attitudes about work and motherhood.

This is a unique natural experiment which makes it difficult to incorporate comparisons with modern China. There are numerous confounding factors comparing between time, culture, and geography, when what the question really is, is whether a capitalist China would have a different TFR than a socialist one.

I would also question how socialist China really is. Things have changed a lot since the Soviet days. Chinese culture seems extraordinarily competitive to a casual observer.

[–] tangeli@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

China works in the context of US led western capitalism and trade war.

China has a cultural legacy of its one child family policy, only recently relaxed.