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[–] SleepyPie@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

I’m really stuck on a good search engine to use lately. I want to avoid American products as much as possible.

Kagi is what my colleagues are transitioning to, but it is completely American.

Qwant is seeing some use, but its searches are generated from Bing API from what I understand.

Anyone know something purely non-American that supports English and is, you know, good?

[–] self@awful.systems 10 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I have anti-recommendations:

  • kagi is a piece of shit run by a bigot who loves AI and anyone paying for it because they hate AI is embarrassing themselves. their fans will probably find and raid this thread because suppressing critique about the awful search engine you pay for monthly is a normal thing to do.
  • ecosia is a piece of shit doing extremely obvious greenwashing, and none of their claims about their LLM somehow magically being green pass muster. I don’t think ecosia has rabid fans, it’s pretty much for the kind of asshole who wants to feel good about the damage they’re doing to the planet.

best of luck with the recommendations

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 2 points 4 hours ago

The kagi people are insufferable. No doubt this thread will precipitate a sea lion convention.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 14 hours ago

i wish it didn't

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Qwant is usable mostly. But like with all things in life, if you don't want to compromise, you can't have stuff.

Qwant does use Bing API but it is having its own index and it is working on expanding it with the goal of becoming mostly or completely independent from. They have also joined forces with Ecosia (using both Bing and Google API besides their own efforts) to boost that process. Their European Search Perspective (EUSP) index has gone live last year but I think so far is only in operation for users in France but they are working on expanding it. Like on most IT sovereignty things, France is one step ahead but giving Ecosia's involvement I assume it will soon land in Germany at least as well.

If you are interested in a path towards tech sovereignty, I'd say Qwant and Ecosia are the two main options in Europe.

https://blog.ecosia.org/launching-our-european-search-index

https://support.ecosia.org/article/579-search-results-providers#H1-Where-do-Ecosia-search-results-come-from-Rt6l4

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 0 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Wow, getting downvotes for merely stating facts. You don't have to like either of the two services, or consider their search performance good. That's not what my response was about. Maybe consider about giving criticism or arguments next time?

[–] self@awful.systems 5 points 8 hours ago

WOW DOWNVOTES

you got 2 downvotes and no attention and threw a fucking tantrum, what is wrong with you

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 5 points 8 hours ago

This is not debate club. Nor is it the room for gloating about how you, like, totally touched a nerve by providing facts and logic, bro.

Please enjoy your free trip to the egress.