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As an actual bible believing Christian, I would like to officially distance myself from all this nonsense.
Once again being a person deep in the evangelical South in the US I have people who say they are good Christians over look all this and go along to get long. It is time for those " good Christians" to open their mouths and start denouncing this.
Of course you would. That would keep you from having to fix it.
TBF, I don't think they can fix it any more than we can.
Religion is a business plan wrapped up in propaganda.
No, your kind should take responsibility
Bible Believing Christian? Gross.
None of them follows Jesus's teachings, they just abuse his name.
Jesus teaches that He will return at the head of a Holy Army, to kill all who won't accept Him as Lord.
"They" can't even come close to the horrors Jesus promised. The lake of blood will be miles wide, and as high as a horse's bridle (according to Him).
His billions of victims won't even have peace in death, as He promises them eternal torment in a lake of fire (according to Him).
Which shows that you did not understand the bible. Forget the Apocalypse. It should never have made it to the book, and has nothing to do with what Jesus preached.
I understand the Bible... it appears that you've never read it.
Jesus Himself preached that He will return at the head of a Holy Army to crush humanity, you have no idea what is going on. Jesus Himself described the eternal torments of Hell.
You should probably read the Bible so you know what I'm talking about, and stop spreading blatant falsehoods, which, by the way, is heresy and condemns you to Hell.
Even if you remove "the Apocalypse" from the Bible completely (by that I take it you mean Revelation), the quotes of Jesus remain in the New Testament elsewhere. You just ignore them.
Disgusting revisionism of core Christian doctrine. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Do you think He promised to come back to Earth for hugs? No. Like He said, He came not to bring peace, but the sword.
Funny, though. I've read the Bible several times, but I do not recall any line of Jesus returning with an army to crush humanity. Could you supply book and verse?
And because I know the Bible I disregard the Apocalypse (or Revelation, if you prefer).
That's why you reveal that you don't know the Bible, you should read it a few more times because you just don't get it yet.
Sure... you can choose to reject John and Revelation, even though he was a disciple and the favorite of Jesus. But, then, you must reject a good deal of the gospels. Like John 3:16
That is pretty funny.
I'll refrain from quoting John the apostle, since you have rejected him, even though he was an apostle and knew Jesus personally. Since you can't recall, you really should read Revelation and refresh your memory. I would provide book and verse, but you already rejected Revelation and by inference the author of same, right?
Hmm, let's try Matthew
“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.” – Matthew 24:30
Do you reject the words of Matthew the apostle, as well as John the apostle? Do you just know he is also wrong?
Why do you think all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see Jesus coming on the clouds of Heaven with great power and glory? The Bible describes why in great detail, yet you reject it because you know better than John the apostle and Matthew the apostle, right?
You have absolutely no ground to stand on Biblically, your knowledge is from your imagination.
So, keep reading. It will sink in and you'll figure it out someday.
None of the passages you quotes backs up any of your crazy claims. Anything better to offer?
Yes. Why is all the earth MOURNING when Christ returns? Do you think it's because they're sad?
So, you reject John the apostle and Revelation... do you reject the rest of the Gospels too, or just John?
What about the words of Jesus Himself? Now... let's be clear. All of the Bible is the Word of God, according to the Bible (where you get Jesus from). So every word is true, according to Him, and it's all His Word (regardless of which apostle wrote any particular book).
Do you listen to the quotes of Jesus Himself, as quoted by the apostles? He describes the eternal torment of Hell, are you familiar? If so, onward...
When He returns, He will "cleanse the Earth". What do you think that cleansing entails? If the cleansing is not the armies of Heaven as described in Revelation and elsewhere, what matters how it is cleansed? The results are the same. Bloody murder at the hands of Jesus and 10,000 angels.
Lastly, Jesus Himself said (as quoted by the apostles, which you reject some of, but regardless)
"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:36-41)
So, here, He describes the angels weeding out all that cause sin (like everyone who doesn't follow Christ, as described repeatedly by Him in Bible) and all who do evil (rejecting Him as Lord... this is an evil that God hates, as described in Bible), and He and His army will throw them in a blazing furnace, etc.
So, do you reject John, the apostle of Jesus who wrote Revelation and parts of the Gospel; do you reject Matthew, the apostle of Jesus who says all will mourn when He returns (because He will kill them); and do you reject Jesus, who describes clearly that He and His Holy Army will throw all of the chaff (not Christians) into the eternal flame (hence the mourning), and take the wheat (Christians) to Heaven (hence the rejoicing)?
Stop lying about the Bible. You like some of the Gospels at most, you've never read the entire book even one time. Admit it.
Regardless, you are ignorant of what it contains, you reject Christ's Word and His teachings; you reject His favorite disciple (John, author of Revelation and other books of the New Testament).
Stop peddling your "peaceful hippy" Jesus, it's a lie... what you know is a blatant falsehood not supported by scriptures in any way.
Read the Bible after you down vote me; or at least stop pretending you know anything about it. Now, go forth, and SIN NO MORE.
I wish your religious leaders had years ago.
As a Christian in faith. I believe the bible needs to fade into obscurity. We need a new narrative that defines the sense of love, compassion & spiritual growth we seek. Fuck the dogma & the original sin idea that has been used to oppress and strike fear into peoples hearts and minds. Fear of god is spiritual abuse. That is what Christianity teaches right out of the gate. 🤦
If it’s possible to just retcon all of the shit that makes up the foundation of your religion and create a “new narrative” doesn’t that just prove that it’s all made up bullshit? Like isn’t faith by its very nature “blind” and the fact that you assert that you can reshape it to your tastes just means that you don’t actually believe in this as much as you think you do?
Of course it’s all made up. Is it the divine word? Well then we have to assume that there is in fact a divine being. I’m not too sure of that one way or another. I don’t try to prove it or not prove its existence. The made by human scripture is a collection of stories, tales and fables from a long bygone era. Now how we choose to perceive and apply those lessons are fully upon us. Some use it as a guideline for daily living down to how one dress and what type of diet one may consume. Others, not so rigid may take it for simply the message of Jesus (Grace, redemption, forgiveness, acceptance, calling out corruption in the name of god, empathy, being a steward of the earth) He is only in the thing for the first half of the Pt.2 section of the script btw.
It’s okay to let go of the label and just come to terms with the fact that you have good values, you know?
In one comment you chastise for believing and not taking responsibility, and in this comment you chastise for still believing while trying to fix things. Is it safe to assume that anyone who finds religious creeds acceptable is inferior to you
I guess what I am saying is that there has to be some type of reckoning day regarding this matter. So many people have cherry picked the bible into a grotesque monster of a religion with all sorts of negative implications branching into the government at the deepest level. Meanwhile, there are a multitude of individuals that have some virtuous values, a respect and responsibility of community but aren’t willing to rock the boat when it comes to saying, absolutely not in our name. And you have some that are opposing the bastardized versions. It has changed so much since I was a child (mid 1970’s). Unfortunately those that cherry pick and choose “The Good Stuff”, are labeled heretics. I am talking evangelical mega church super faith based as opposed to gray haired aging hippie NPR listening Unitarians. One side is happy is thrilled LGBTQ is attempting to be made obscene. The other has a 🌈 flag and says welcome all. I’m with the latter congregation. I just believe that we need a new story. We don’t have to forget the last one.