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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world -2 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

And there lies the problem with just replacing cars with buses, you must slow down, stop, wait, and then speed up again many more times than compared to a car. And most of the time you have to deal with (at least 1) connection. And then you have to walk or bike a significant distance both to and from the bus stop.

Now factor in that most people are going to need a vehicle in the US for various other tasks... I use mine as part of my job to carry equipment from place to place, as part of my recreation to get a kayak around, as part of home maintenance to bring in new materials and carry out old stuff... All stuff I need to do on a fairly regular basis. So I'm paying to own and maintain a car already, why would I pay more to travel (much) slower, using more effort, and having less flexibility about when and where I can go?

Simply put, major bus network don't work in most of the US because only our most densely populated cities meet the threshold where the bus is even close to meeting a personal vehicle in terms of cost, time, and stress.

[–] Nikelui@lemmy.world 2 points 24 minutes ago

Now factor in that most people are going to need a vehicle in the US for various other tasks…

And there lies the problem with US.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

And there lies the problem with just replacing cars with buses

That's not what I'm saying. I'm showing the idea in the OP (exclusive streets for "public" urban transport) is old as fuck and yet those money hoarders are reinventing it in a worse way. That's it.

If you want my actual take on what's the "best": I do not think replacing everything with buses is sensible. I think buses and metropolitan trains are a good backbone, but there should be a mix, including direct transportation (e.g. taxi, regardless of being self-driving or not).

So congrats for building a straw man out of assumptions, and then beating it up. *yawn*

Now factor in that most people are going to need a vehicle in the US [...]

Simply put, major bus network don’t work in most of the US [...]

Emphasis mine. I'm not from USA, this comm is not about USA, and I'm clearly talking in a country-agnostic way, even if the pic I shared happens to be from my country (and city).

So, lemme be a wee bit blunt: why do you think I bloody care about USA enough to discuss the particularities of transport there? I don't.

If USA or Kazakhstan or Nigeria or France or whatever have additional challenges against sane public transport, this perhaps warrants its own discussion thread. But it's certainly not an excuse to narrow a discussion down from "everybody should be able to chime in" into "HOW DO PEOPLE DARE TO NOT TALK ABOUT MY COUNTRY?", okay?

Not further wasting my time with you.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago

If you want my actual take on what’s the “best”: I do not think replacing everything with buses is sensible. I think buses and metropolitan trains are a good backbone, but there should be a mix, including direct transportation (e.g. taxi, regardless of being self-driving or not).

So congrats for building a straw man out of assumptions, and then beating it up. yawn

I think you need to take a break and go outside. Can you point to the statement I made where I accused you of thinking that buses were best? I'm pretty sure I was pointing out the issue with buses in the US, which is that most people aren't coming and going to the same nearby places, and a lot of people need the extra utility of a personal vehicle and aren't going to bother with the extra cost and inconvenience of a bus.

Perhaps it is you, who has built a straw man?

But it’s certainly not an excuse to narrow a discussion down from “everybody should be able to chime in” into “HOW DO PEOPLE DARE TO NOT TALK ABOUT MY COUNTRY?”

The irony of saying that right after this...

Emphasis mine. I’m not from USA, this comm is not about USA, and I’m clearly talking in a country-agnostic way, even if the pic I shared happens to be from my country (and city).

So, lemme be a wee bit blunt: why do you think I bloody care about USA enough to discuss the particularities of transport there? I don’t.

Just absolutely floors me.

Not further wasting my time with you.

Glad to hear it. Go outside and I dunno, ride your wonderful bus around. You need a break. Go do something nice.