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marx didn't give the capitalists hell. he just told the truth and they thought it was hell (slrpnk.net)

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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

which has improved somewhat

Somewhat? It went all the way from shit hole to super wealthy in 30 years.

You’re ignoring the hundreds of millions of Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Moldovan, Yugoslav, Hungarian… lives who went to shit after socialism was dissolved.

Soviet union did both a shit job at transitioning to capitalism, and has one of the most propaganda shaped societies in the world. Ukraine also struggles with fucking war with Russia right now.

There's a research around communism nostalgia, and in countries that did transformation correctly, it isn't really a thing.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/10/15/key-takeaways-public-opinion-europe-30-years-after-fall-of-communism/

[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Technically the "current war" started in like 2016 with Crimea being conquered by hyper aggressive military expansionist dictatorship: Russia.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Russia and Ukraine were sister nations

I just spat my coffee at screen. Have you even read about holdomor?

If you had sister nation with war crime list like this you wouldn't need enemies. You'd have all the war crimes and abuse in great abundance for life.

Part of the population collapse is migration. Millions of Ukrainians traveled to work in Poland even before the war. I imagine it was even bigger number if you count all other migration destinations.

[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

which happened unintentionally as a consequence of the policy of rapid collectivization and reindustrialization.

So you claim, that because they starved entire country worth of people "accidentaly" so it's okay? What kind of sick fuck morality is this?

This policy unambiguously is what enabled the Soviets to defeat Nazism (no tanks and rifles = extermination) and save all Slavic peoples (including you) from being genocided by Germany

Jeus no. Nazis occupied both territories of Poland and Ukraine during ww2, and they successfully genocided jews who lived there. If they wanted to genocide slavs too, they would.

You sound as if famine that happened before war was somehow necessary part of industrializaton.